r/politics California 7d ago

Trump Tells Republicans Not to Vote in 2022 or 2024

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tells-republicans-not-to-vote-in-2022-or-2024?via=twitter_page&
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u/dremonearm 7d ago

He was clearly the kind of kid who, if losing a board game, would just knock all the pieces on the floor.

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u/Qx7x 7d ago

He'd spend real money to buy Monopoly money just to win.

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u/FilmVsAnalytics New York 7d ago

Actually he's the kind of dude that pays real money to get more Monopoly money, still lose, throw a tantrum about it, then call everyone he knows to lie about winning.

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u/Chockzilla 7d ago

I think he would order more monopoly money, then when it arrives refuse to pay for it

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u/NlightenedSelfIntrst 7d ago

He was clearly the kind of kid who, if losing a board game, would just knock all the pieces on the floor.

Well yeah. That was also his brand of diplomacy and foreign policy. "Take my ball and go home."

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u/TjW0569 7d ago

Except it was someone else's ball.

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u/Edward_Fingerhands 7d ago

When he's "losing" at an interview (i.e. he's being asked questions he can't or won't answer) he walks out.

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u/vendetta2115 7d ago

I laugh when I think about the time that reporter asked him a total softball question, “What do you say to Americans, who are watching you right now, who are scared?” (This was in March 2020 when COVID deaths were skyrocketing and hospitals were overwhelmed)

To which Trump replied “I say that you’re a terrible reporter. That’s what I say. I think it’s a very nasty question and I think it’s a very bad signal that you’re putting out to the American people.”

Source because it sounds like something someone made up but it’s actually true because it’s always true with this guy.

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u/mr-nefarious 7d ago

Wow. I had forgotten about that moment! Oof. Just…oof.

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u/HomerFlinstone 7d ago

I laughed when he was ranting about how religious he is and then couldn't name a book in the Bible. Said "theyre all good".

Then later on holds it upside down because he obviously has no clue what's in the Bible.

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u/zaphod777 California 7d ago

Reporter: Is that your bible?

Trump: It's a Bible

no joke, that's a direct quote.

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u/spiral_in 7d ago

"Two Corinthians"

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u/ahitright 7d ago

IRL he acts worse then that. He once stole the golf score from a kid playing on his course.

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u/Headozed 7d ago

He is threatening the GOP. “Get behind me and my messaging or I will destroy you.”

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u/S1lm4r1l 7d ago

Yep. Plain and simple.

Its either Trump's way or the Highway.

McConnell must be shitting bricks.

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u/jawa709 7d ago

McConnell must be shitting bricks.

I so want this to be true, both figuratively and literally.

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u/These_Initiative_5 7d ago

He is a thousand years old. What would he care anyway?

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u/GhostOfPluto 7d ago

Turtles live a looong time

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u/tovivify 7d ago

Trump's over here throwing plastic straws in McConnell's habitat

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u/FuzzyBrain420 7d ago

That’s hilarious

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u/drunk98 7d ago

And only wombats shit bricks

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u/GentleLion2Tigress 7d ago

Watching from afar, but if the Dems were to get Trump and McConnell throwing each other under the bus it’s nothing but winning for them.

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u/MickeyMouseRapedMe The Netherlands 7d ago

Plus people like Desantis and Haley are probably desperately wanting to run for 2024. Both will most likely be forgotten in 2028.

It would be fun when it wouldn't happen because Trump ruined their chances another time. Especially because Haley figured she would simple leave the Trump administration hoping barely any news would come out of her sneaking out to keep a 'clean record'.

It’s not often that a top-level official in this Administration gets away clean and leaves on good terms with President Donald Trump. When she stepped down Tuesday as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley became one of the only senior staff members to walk away from the White House with her reputation largely intact.

10-09-2018

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u/The_Original_Gronkie 7d ago

Trump's probably eyeing her for VP. I used to think it was DeSantis, but I hear Trump hates DeSantis, which must be breaking his heart. His entire political identity was based on being the most sycophantic Trump politician.

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u/drapparappa 6d ago

DeSantis doesn’t give a shit if Trump likes him. He uses Trumps message and style because he knows that is what resonates with the base.

Above all, the GOP is a party of grifters. Since Trump is the greatest grifter in human history they’ll continue to use his grift until it no longer works.

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u/GlassyKnees 7d ago

DeSantis is a heavy drinker. Trump loathes alcoholics.

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u/Illuminated12 Indiana 7d ago

Which is a battle they can't win. The courts are smacking this shit down left and right. There will be no fraud proven in the 2020 election which means it's a lose lose situation. Now is the time more than ever to run AWAY from Trumpism.

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u/BelowAverageSloth 7d ago

The issue is that despite there being no fraud republicans are being led to believe there really was. Minor discrepancies in vote counts are being blown out of proportion by conservative media in an effort to trick conservatives into believing that our elections are all rigged.

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u/Late_Advance_8292 7d ago

Yeah. Like 70 percent of rightoids think that the election was stolen. Insane.

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u/Rak-CheekClapper 7d ago

They can't even explain why either. I've asked people I know personally. I either get a dismissive "do your own research" or at best one guy said "I don't know I just feel like it was rigged"

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u/ThePowerOfStories 7d ago edited 7d ago

The fact they didn't win is all the proof they need. They win, it's a fair, free, honest, credible election; they lose, it's a no good, corrupt, rigged, stolen election. Nothing else matters.

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u/Helenium_autumnale 7d ago

it's the mentality of a spoiled toddler. These are supposed to be adults.

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u/dlev_ Oregon 7d ago

I mean, that’s basically Trump’s modus operandi as laid out by his 50 years of biz

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u/-milkbubbles- Florida 7d ago

The only reasoning I’ve heard from them is “how can a guy who couldn’t get 500 people in a large city to go to his rally win over a guy with 50,000 people at his rally in rural America?” Them conveniently forgetting the part where Democrats were quarantining for COVID and also Biden doesn’t hold “rallies,” because that’s a really weird thing for a politician to do. And it’s really weird for voters to act like “fans.”

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u/Message_10 7d ago

50,000 is a huuuuge overestimation. That’s about a football stadium. Most of the time Trump had trouble filling a civic center. Maybe 10,000 for big crowds.

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u/twatter 7d ago

What's even crazier is over 100 years ago, Teddy Roosevelt was drawing crowds of 30k-40k people. This is before modern transportation and when the US population was a fraction of what it is today. Also, Trump's 10k crowds really aren't that impressive when his rallies are held in realatively small rural towns that are 99% Republican and there's absolutely nothing else to do on a Saturday night.

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u/TaxOwlbear 7d ago

In all fairness, that was before television existed and while radio broadcasting was in its infancy. That rally may have been your one chance to actually hear Roosevelt talk. That doesn't explain it by itself, but it's a contributing factor.

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u/dankswordsman 7d ago

Well, there wasn't really fraud on the part of the Democratic party.

Meanwhile Trump replaced the entire board of governors (who run USPS) with Republicans, and they drastically reduced the capacity of the USPS before the election. Then claimed mail ballots aren't reliable.

I mean, he was right. It took a long time for ballots to be received and counted. But it was literally because he caused that problem. The fact that no Republican can acknowledge that single, very obvious instance of voter manipulation is hilarious.

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u/couchtomatopotato 7d ago

then he said he won bc the mail in ballots werent yet counted... so frustrating to people who understand how counting works.

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u/os12 7d ago

A California-based citizen here.

I remember those few days vividly. I remember the shit show where GOP followers were chanting "Stop the count!" at some districts and "Count the votes!" in others...

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u/A_fellow 7d ago edited 6d ago

And now they chant to their own "stop the voting!"

Ironically them eroding voting may have just had the opposite effect...

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u/RunnyBabbit23 I voted 7d ago

In addition, several Republican-led state legislatures passed laws saying that the counting of mail in ballots could not be started until after the polls closed, intentionally slowing down those counts as well.

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u/GenericOfficeMan Canada 7d ago

Yeah they did this deliberately so the optics would look off to people who weren't that clued in. They did this so people would go to sleep with R in the lead and wake up with D in the lead and wonder why and be able to tell themselves it was fraud. They did this so that a bunch of polls had huge, late surges of D votes that look suspect to people who are already looking for a problem.

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u/Few_Acanthocephala30 7d ago

It’s easy to claim mass amounts of fraud will occur and be right, when you’re the one instigating the fraud.. that’s how wieners winners stay winners

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u/Headozed 7d ago

He doesn’t need the courts on his side. He needs Republican messaging (leaders, news organizations, etc.) systems. He can claim the courts are rigged, he just needs the GOP in lock step.

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u/the-mighty-kira 7d ago

The problem is paying for the audits. Most red states have cut taxes and budgets to the bone, so they need to raise revenue somewhere to spend millions on auditing an election that they know they lost. Not to mention their voters may start calling them RINOs when the results still favor Biden, as happened in AZ.

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u/Headozed 7d ago

They don’t actually care about the election audits. They know the results will not support them. They want the appearance of fraud. It’s all a a show. All they need is a circus and a fight.

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u/AnonymousWritings 7d ago

I'm kind of scared of what the end game is. The message he is giving is clear: voting doesn't matter, the votes don't count, and the result will not be respected.

How many times does he have to say that before his supporters start to fully believe that, and go to enforce the "correct" government by force? Only this time, bringing guns?

I just don't see how this ends in a good way.

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u/Trinition 7d ago

Well, how many times did it take to get to Jan 6, 2020?

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u/demeschor United Kingdom 7d ago

I still don't think most people are aware just what a shitshow that was, if just a handful of those people had been a more organised, there could have easily been a lot of deaths of American congressmen.

Like. Y'all came real close to a major catastrophe and it seems like most people remember it is a meme because some LARPer wore a stupid hat. These past couple of years have been fucking weird man

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u/TheGreatEmanResu 7d ago

Don’t worry a lot of us take it very seriously. It’s the right wingers who downplay it

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u/Fenyx187 7d ago

I watched it streamed live from various reporters and boy, it got really fucking scary multiple times

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u/Flash_MeYour_Kitties 7d ago

I'm kind of scared of what the end game is.

fascism, plain and simple. this isn't meant to be hyperbolic either.

everything they've done since the election (and much before, arguably) has been primer for disavowing an election loss in 2024, and/or for setting up the ground work in 2022 that leads to a legal coup in 2024

I just don't see how this ends in a good way.

it doesn't. the problem is you must win against tyranny/authoritarianism every day, but all it takes is once for it to overcome and overwhelm. then you're fucked.

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u/p0rty-Boi 7d ago

The old “You have to be lucky everyday, we only have to be lucky once.”

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u/ChrisTheFencer 7d ago

...make that "everything he has done since he declared candidacy in 2015..."

This didn't just happen in one year!

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u/InterPunct New York 7d ago

At the same time it erodes faith in voting, the most fundamental essence of a democracy. The long game is a slow, strong-arm takeover of the organs of democracy; the courts, the legislatures, etc.

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u/M00n 7d ago

Okay! I think we finally have a bipartisan agreement!

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u/IAmBadAtInternet 7d ago

Please proceed, Governor.

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u/Cosmos1985 Europe 7d ago

Never interrupt an enemy making a mistake

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u/CaptainObvious 7d ago

I will always remember that "Oh shit," look on Romney's face. He knew he fucked up, but didn't know how or why.

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u/RightSideBlind American Expat 7d ago

I like to think that that moment, right there, was when he realized he'd lost the campaign.

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u/ksiyoto 7d ago

Mondale had that moment when Reagan pulled that "youth and inexperience" line on a debate. Mondale later said that was the moment he realized he was going to lose.

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u/Corvus_Clanculum 7d ago

That and the 47% comment.

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u/ObiShaneKenobi 7d ago

His bit about fewer boats than in the 1800’s was pretty delicious. Obama coming back with bayonets was pretty damn good!

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u/Whaines Oregon 7d ago

If only he had binders full of charisma.

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u/Foot_Dizzy Texas 7d ago

“If we don’t solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in ’22 or ’24,” Trump declared.

He is not a good politician

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u/TheInfernalVortex Georgia 7d ago

I think this is part of his war with the Republican Party itself over the future of the party. He and McConnell have had their disagreements. I’m sure he has threatened them all to support him or he will take his base and turn it against them. They’re, so far at least, not too openly keen on him running again, so I think this is him following through on his threat and brinksmanship.

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u/impulsekash 7d ago

Exactly this. On the night of the insurrection McConnell, McCarthy, Graham and others took their masks off and told us how they really felt about Trump. But as the days and weeks moved on they saw their base was with Trump and not the Republicans. The run-off elections in Georgia proved it. This why they are now bending over backwards to appease Trump. Because they know Trump can decimate their party and conservatives in the country by a single statement, which he may just did.

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u/advocate4 7d ago

Its October 2021. You REALLY think voters, particularly Republican voters, are going to remember this? If Trump was saying this in October 2022, then maybe I could see it, but this will be forgotten in a few days maybe a week tops.

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u/barkbeatle3 7d ago

This is all Trump has cared about since he lost, it doesn’t seem like he is going to stop yelling about how he actually won and the election is rigged. Even if he doesn’t hold onto the “don’t vote” message, he doesn’t care about midterms or any other election without his name on it and is perfectly happy to make more Georgia’s.

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u/Mighty_Hobo Texas 7d ago

Some handler will pose as a sycophant and get him in line long enough for the elections. I'm sure they will find some way to appease him. Like giving a toddler a pacifier for a while when they are hungry so you have time to make them a bottle.

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u/summermadnes New Jersey 7d ago edited 6d ago

Trump-- not a good politician, not a good businessman, not a good father, not a good husband, not a good friend. A complete waste of cells & space.

edit to add: not a good brother, not a good uncle.

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u/BrainstormsBriefcase 7d ago

Sounds like a good way to get a haunted garden. All that hatred has to go somewhere

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u/stosal 7d ago

But you'd have carrots that are so fucking orange.

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u/LogicalManager New York 7d ago

And mushrooms, oh my !

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u/morderkaine 7d ago

Just a tiny one

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u/CaptainMurphy1908 7d ago

He is good at inciting violence in those with room temperature IQs, however.

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u/Gnarledhalo California 7d ago

He's stoking open revolt.

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u/ItsjustJim621 Pennsylvania 7d ago

You’re not wrong. Im seeing more of this taking place…

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u/Obi_Wan_Benobi 7d ago

What does the black flag mean?

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u/Welsh_Pirate 7d ago

Wow. They're just openly embracing the terrorist comparisons now, aren't they? Who could have thought that having no consequences for acts of domestic terror would lead to this?

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u/teratogenic17 7d ago

Is he threatening a coup in this way? He wants the office, and I think his followers will take that message to heart.

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u/Nux87xun 7d ago

Kinda sounds like it.

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u/GoteApparatus 7d ago

This seems more like a petulant baby's response to being told they can't do something, likely because someone from the republican party finally told him they are moving on. The petty, violent revenge schemes will come later.

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u/ignu 7d ago

This. People constantly anthropomorphize Trump, like he's capable of understanding cause and effect.

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u/green_left_hand 7d ago

This is the best burn of Donald Trump I've ever come across. Seriously.

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u/notherday11 7d ago

Terrible politician, but a pretty solid manipulator. He’s forcing the GOP’s hand at this now.

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u/jeffp12 7d ago

Yep. He wants to run again, and he's basically threatening the GOP that if they don't nominate him, he's gonna burn the party to the ground.

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u/ItsjustJim621 Pennsylvania 7d ago

But what if he can’t run being bogged down with legal issues? That is, if they ever take place

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u/grandhighlazybum 7d ago

Legal issues won't affect his ability to run. He can even run from prison. They need to impeach him, and convict, if they want him to not run.

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u/starmartyr Colorado 7d ago

Normally that would be correct. However, congress can declare him guilty of leading a rebellion against the United States with a simple majority. That would disqualify him under the 14th amendment.

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u/DaoFerret 7d ago

I’ll believe it when I see it.

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u/hwaite New York 7d ago

I guess Trump is good at manipulating dolts. Honestly, he's not even a good liar. His tactics are ham-fisted and transparent.

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u/feor1300 7d ago

They are... but they work. A big part of being a good con manr is knowing who you should be working on and who you should just ignore.

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u/JoostvanderLeij 7d ago

He is a good black mailer. He is blackmailing the GOP to lie even more for him.

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u/impulsekash 7d ago

Seriously we need to put this quote up on a billboard.

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u/Fynn_the_Finger 7d ago

Voting is acknowledging the 2020 election was legitimate. In order to own the libs, I will have to sit out all further elections.

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u/Kayestofkays 7d ago

I confirm that I would feel very owned if conservatives stopped voting in protest of the frauds

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u/-rabbitrunner- 7d ago

Me too, so owned.

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u/Frankie6Strings 7d ago

Finally making America great again. *single tear*

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u/S1lm4r1l 7d ago

He really is doing it.

I just didn't see how all the way back in 2016.

Forgive me Papa Bear.

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u/BlueRangerBootyJuice 7d ago

We mocked him for thinking he was playing 4D chess with the country, and here he was playing 5D chess the WHOLE TIME!

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u/piehead678 7d ago

My dad once told me he thought Trump was a secret liberal who’s entire point was to destroy the Republicans and make them look bad to give the country to democrats.

He suggested his entire presidency was an act and he was awaiting the gotcha moment at some point.

Honestly I think about that sometimes and think he might have been on to something.

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u/restore_democracy 7d ago

Promises made, promises kept.

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u/MoscowMitchMckills 7d ago

As a lib I would be super owned if republicans didn’t vote in 2022 and 2024

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u/DrDumb1 7d ago

There's more to this. 1. He's threatening the rest of the GOP to either follow him or lose everything. 2. He's telling his followers "fuck voting, we're taking it by force". Those are the only two reasons I can think of.

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u/QuandrixFractal 7d ago

It isn’t even that. He is just demanding Congress investigate the “fraud”. He just is a complete fucking idiot.

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u/StubbsTheWolf Kentucky 7d ago

1/6 certainly won't be the last time these guys try something. As long as disinformation continues to spread, the powderkeg we are sitting on is getting hotter.

There's a large portion of Americans who are very stupid, scared and heavily armed. The Republicans know this, and they're going to use them.

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u/DrunksInSpace Ohio 7d ago

I’m definitely more scared of what GOP state legislatures are doing in terms of rewriting election procedures so they can pick the oversight (can you call them elections if the legislature picks the winner?).

If Meal Team Six attacks the Capitol again it will be ugly, and definitely more organized but it will be illegitimate and shut down. If these state legislatures get away with their undemocratic bullshit we’re half fucked. We have states in our union where democracy no longer exists. We are no longer a Democratic republic.

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u/restore_democracy 7d ago

Even more than them not getting vaccinated.

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u/MoscowMitchMckills 7d ago

Every time a republican uses an ivermectin suppository I’m just fully and completely owned

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u/RatBrainedManAnimal 7d ago

lol dude is burning down the GOP juuuust to keep the spotlight on himself. thats great, im ok with this. the GOP is reaping what they sowed. still, dont count on this in the midterms, vote like your life depends on it because a lot of people's lives do depend on you voting..

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u/DrProfessional77 7d ago

Oh please yes! Please listen to him and don’t vote. That would be FANTASTIC!

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u/scsuhockey Minnesota 7d ago

So funny watching conservatives scramble to spin this on Twitter.

"What he means is..."

"In other words..."

"TRANSLATION:"

Trump's language here is absolutely straight forward as it gets.

Republicans will not be voting in ’22 or ’24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do.

He doesn't want Republicans to vote, plain and simple.

The caveat is "If WE don't SOLVE the PRESIDENTIAL election fraud of 2020." Who's the "we"? The states? The feds? The SCOTUS? The media? What does he mean by "solve"? And notice that he only cares about the Presidential elections and not any of the thousands of other elections across the country?

Here's my take... he's throwing a tantrum. Unless "we" let him win, he'll cut off his nose to spite his face.

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u/TonyDanzaClaus 7d ago

"Trump says what he means!"

Trump says something

"What he meant was..."

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u/SuperFLEB 7d ago

That stupid shit he said straightfacedly? Total satire. Can't believe you fell for it.

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u/vendetta2115 7d ago edited 7d ago

clarifies that it’s not satire and he was completely serious

“Well of course, he said it because it’s true. Forget that I called it satire yesterday and that he was only saying it to make fun of people who actually hold that opinion because now I’m one of those people!”

Remember this?

President Donald Trump now says that he was not kidding when he told rallygoers over the weekend that he asked staff to slow down coronavirus testing, undercutting senior members of his own administration who said the comment was made in jest.

"I don't kid, let me just tell you, let me make it clear," Trump told a reporter on Monday, when asked again if he was kidding when he said Saturday he instructed his administration to slow down coronavirus testing.

The President then sought to highlight the US coronavirus testing numbers and asserted that "by having more tests, we have more cases."

The day before, I saw tons of his supporters saying “he was just joking, of course he doesn’t want to restrict testing to artificially lower COVID statistics. You liberals can’t take a joke.”

Then Trump clarified that he wasn’t joking and it turned into “well yeah, we shouldn’t be testing so much, because other countries are doing the same thing and it makes us look bad because we’re actually being honest about our numbers.”

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u/terminaljive Florida 7d ago

It's not even the first time. He said Stacy Abrams would be a better governor for Georgia because Brian Kemp refused to act to overturn Biden's win.

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u/Xenect 7d ago

Biden Hillary should come out with a proposal to make voting compulsory, just like Australia does.

Right now would be perfect timing. Trump would rant against it because... Hilary, and more of Y’all Qaeda would refuse to vote as a protest.

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u/d1v1n0rum 7d ago

Make sure to call it a voting mandate. Republicans hate mandates.

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u/Earthboom 7d ago

Yeah yeah and leak a story that would say the mandate is an infringement on MUH RIGHTS God I'm so hard rn.

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u/nithdurr 7d ago

And get Tucker on this too..

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u/cdnincali 7d ago edited 7d ago

No, no, no, voting is to become an entitlement that any citizen can exercise, mkay?

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u/impulsekash 7d ago

Nah we should spread a rumor that they will spraying the vaccine at polling stations and everyone should stay far way if they don't want to get vaccinated.

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u/uptbbs 7d ago

"Never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake" -- Sun Tzu

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u/Amy_Ponder Massachusetts 7d ago

"Governor, please proceed" -- Barack Obama

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u/Downside_Up_ Oklahoma 7d ago

Stop. Don't. Come back.

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u/OutlawGalaxyBill 7d ago

While I take delight in the sheer stupidity of this, this is his pretext to say the elections are not valid and then incite his army of morons to take up arms and forcibly take control of the government.

This country really need to do something about him before he incites an uprising. I think such an uprising could be quickly quelled if say, there is a specific protest or something and law enforcement takes action to arrest and detain anyone using violence ... Trump's followers will scatter like rats from a sinking ship once they realize there will be actual consequences for engaging in insurrection and rebellion.

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u/Royal-Ad7342 7d ago

Was really shocked on 1/6 when only one person was shot and not one person lost an eye to a rubber bullet.

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u/preventDefault 7d ago

A lot of them didn’t even vote either, which is odd considering why they were there in the first place.

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u/Benedict-Awesome 7d ago

It's almost like they're fucking morons.

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u/EndotheGreat 7d ago

"I'd do anything for America! I'd die for this country!"

"would you inconvenience yourself with a mask and vaccine for public health?"

"Fuck no!"

"would you at least vote?"

"Fuck no!"

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u/CantFindMyshirt 7d ago

Here's the thing, "I'd die for this country!" Actually translates to "I wanna kill people without repercussions!"

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u/Background_Meeting48 7d ago

They just want The Purge lol

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u/EndotheGreat 7d ago

"Anyone to the left of voting for a Purge Night is a communist!!"

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u/tylerbrainerd 7d ago

They say "I'd die for ____" because they want life or death stakes, not because they actually think they'd die for anything.

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u/kazejin05 I voted 7d ago edited 7d ago

In the worst situations last year, where a minority of protests devolved into riots, the (militarized) cops felt threated by civilians with placards and whatever was around that they could throw in self-defense once the cops started acting aggressively. And people lost eyes, got head/various injuries, etc.

A group of legitimate rioters storms the seat of democracy here in the U.S., gets within reaching distance of multiple senators, and a hallway away from the 2nd and 3rd in the line of succession, and ONLY one person edit was shot the day of

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u/Royal-Ad7342 7d ago

Don’t forget when unidentifiable federal agents in rental cars literally snatching protestors off the street!

Trump supporters only get to imagine this fear

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u/97runner 7d ago

And then pretend that they are being oppressed.

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u/nbnoir Indiana 7d ago

Don't forget the police actively hunting protestors.

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u/SilentMasterOfWinds United Kingdom 7d ago

This country really need to do something about him before he incites an uprising

And it won't, without an invitation to do so as explicit as (sustained) violent rebellion from Trump supporters (because apparently 1/6 wasn't enough). Frankly in the long run this could be better than if he and the Republicans actually tried to win 22/24 semi-legitimately.

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u/notcaffeinefree 7d ago

Yup. Fair and free elections are the cornerstone of any democratic country.

These people will believe that has been eroded, to the point of being unable to democratically fix the "issue", so the only way to restore it is through violence.

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u/pestilenceinspring 7d ago

Your comment deserves more attention. No one is taking punishing these white nationalists seriously and now they're recruiting more ex-military folks and ex-cops. If Trump, his associates, and those domestic terrorists were held accountable, you're right, the rest would scatter like rats.

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u/Pieniek23 7d ago

Why say ex cops? Plenty are still on the force.

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u/Lildoc_911 7d ago

Yeah I about spit my drink out. Ex cops? Ex military? I work with the latter. The things I hear at the office...yikes.

Sometimes I wish I was white. Just to hear them in their natural habitat with their defenses down.

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u/batnastard 7d ago

I'm white, liberal, and live in a redneck town in Florida. My local dive bar is full of these morons. When they think they're in their safe space they just spout off, and assume that because I'm white I agree with them. The level of ignorant hatred is astonishing.

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u/techleopard Louisiana 7d ago

I feel this. I have a lot of "homesteading" hobbies which brings me into the same room as a lot of paranoia-driven preppers and whatnot.

I have to smile and nod -- because it's really hard to sell chickens and rabbits or get information on farming if they know you voted for Biden.

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u/unicornspiced 7d ago

As someone from lafayette I can agree with you and understand why you need to blend in.

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u/Potato-Drama808 7d ago edited 7d ago

I had one of my redneck friends talk about how trump lowered the national debt. They literally don’t know what they are talking about. It’s all a fantasy

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u/Jimbob0i0 Great Britain 7d ago

this is his pretext to say the elections are not valid

If the cult follows through with this and turnout drops from around 50% (which let's face it still isn't great) to 25% or less...

Well it would be something for the textbooks of the future I guess

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u/BlackeeGreen 7d ago

How To Lose Friends and Influence People: Lessons from the 45th President

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u/setibeings 7d ago

His plan may be that if republican votes fall off in 2022, he can say that republican ballots are just ending up in the trash somehow, and then either

  1. Use the republican lead state legislatures to change voting forever, so it favors republicans more than it does already. or
  2. Call for militia takeover of of State and Federal buildings, and/or the killing of people who say republicans didn't win.

I think he's not a master manipulator, but he probably has people whispering in his ear that this is a good idea.

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u/ruler_gurl Texas 7d ago

It will show up in exit polling. I don't personally care if they vote or not. It likely cost them two GA senate seats. If they want to take their ball and go home it's no skin off my back.

He's going to say elections are rigged no matter what. He even claimed the 16 election that he won was rigged. It's what he does. it's why he was Putin's candidate.

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u/NoFunHere 7d ago

He is really the leader of the largest cult ever formed in the world. People in the cult are literally choosing to die instead of being vaccinated. I don't think we are close to the apex yet.

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u/Hemmschwelle 7d ago

I expect that Trump will die before 2024, be in the tomb for three days, vandals will break in, steal the corpse and leave the door open on their way out, then rumors will start circulating about people seeing him all over the place. Kinda like Elvis.

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u/BigYonsan 7d ago

before he incites an uprising.

Another uprising, you mean.

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u/clackeroomy 7d ago

Unless this orange toadstool is trying to start a civil war, I really can't figure out what his psychotic brain is doing.

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u/IssacStrom 7d ago

“I am the most fabulous whiner. I do whine because I want to win. And I’m not happy if I’m not winning,” he said. “I’m a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win.” ~D.J.T.

There is nothing more to it. This is the entirety of his strategy. There is no forward thinking. There is no plan. This is a man who makes a mistake, and draws a line on a map with a sharpie to pretend his mistake was the truth all along.

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u/clackeroomy 7d ago

So true and so sad. I have known narcissists throughout my lifetime, but I have never seen anyone so dangerously mentally ill in this regard.

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u/bierfma 7d ago

My guess is he is seeing, or hearing from some yambag like stone or bannon, data that says the next couple of elections won't go well from his perspective, and if he makes the count low enough, he can scream fraud and storm the castle, which should end worse for him than a close election, he's basically outsmarting himself, which isn't that difficult. I think he has a point and should drive the vote down.

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u/locke_5 Massachusetts 7d ago

My guess is he's worried the GOP leadership is about to flip on him, so this is a threat to nuke any future candidate they put forward unless they "accept I won"

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u/SuedeVeil 7d ago

He'd damn well love a civil war in his name tbh Let's not beat the bush here when Jan 6 was happening rumor is he was delighted

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u/deschutess 7d ago

Imagine wanting to go down in history as the asshat who wiped out his own political party.

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u/SuedeVeil 7d ago

Trump was never about a political party really he was always about himself.. he wanted the party to be about him rather than him apart of something bigger. That's why he's got no issue ruining the party he was apart of especially if he feels they are turning on him. He's so self absorbed to ever care about a cause bigger than his own ego

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u/Irmisul 7d ago

This is it. Trump summarized. He has no actual policy, just what he thinks he can say to get people to love him. He has no party loyalty, because it's all about him. It's a cult of personality plain and simple.

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u/jeffp12 7d ago

It's a threat to the rest of the GOP. It's him or nothing. Support him or he'll burn the party to the ground.

He wants the whole party in fascist lock-step, saying without any dissenting voices that he is definitely not a loser, that the game was rigged, he definitely won, and that he is crowned the nominee in 2024 without competition. And if they don't all get behind him as the GOP king, he will have his supporters sit out and the GOP will lose them and every election to come.

The GOP is all about party over country. And Trump is ME over everything else. He doesn't give a shit if the whole republican party dies and the democrats take over everything. He only cares about the GOP in terms of how it helps him personally. And if the GOP moves on from him, he will ruin them.

Of course, he also has no attention span, so any threats or implications of any kind of long term planning are shaky at best. He does whatever narcissistic bullshit feels right to him at any given moment, and who knows what that'll be day to day or even hour to hour. So get ready, if he doesn't get the nomination, he's gonna tell his supporters to abandon the GOP, and he might even run third party and completely fuck the GOP with a split ticket (just more time in the spotlight and more grifting of his supporters donations).

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u/soline 7d ago

Lol this guy is the worst thing to happen to the GOP and they still can’t see it.

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u/Landminan 7d ago

Didn't Lindsey Graham predict this in the 2016 primaries? Something like "if we elect Donald Trump, it'll be the end of the republican party, and we'll deserve it." Don't remember the exact quote

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u/LargeSackOfNuts I voted 7d ago

That quote is basically exactly it. Lindsay then spent the following 4 years licking every bit of shit out of Trumps ass since Trump was then Lord Almighty to the GOP.

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u/LockheedMartinLuther 7d ago

“If we don’t solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in ’22 or ’24,” Trump declared. “It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do.”

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u/ristoril I voted 7d ago

He told Georgia Republicans not to vote in the runoffs and we got 2 Democratic Senators and control of the Senate so... Hopefully they listen.

I don't know why the so called "Rational Republicans" went along with Trump. I mean I guess early on they were going he was just a carnival barker ok TV not always. But by 2017 or 2018 it was pretty clear that what we saw was what we got.

Why would anyone go along with turning their party over to a demagogue? To going all in on the cult of personality? It could only end badly.

One could argue that Reagan was a proto Trump, but at least he had his 11th Commandment. There was a limit to his self involvement.

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u/mspahr4 7d ago
  1. Tell your supporters not to vote.
  2. Drop voter participation down to 20-25% of the eligible public
  3. Question the legitimacy of the election(s) based on low, unrepresentative turnout. Insinuate or outright accuse government actors of fraud.
  4. Encourage the overthrow of undemocratic "rigged" elections.
  5. When ultimately unsuccessful, because these militias stand zero chance against the might of the US military, encourage grassroots supports to set up alternative "shadow" governments at the local and state level.

Just you wait. What's going on at Board of Education meetings across the country right now are "dry runs" for exactly this type of "activism".

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u/ffffffffffUMP 7d ago

This is what I think too

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u/f_d 7d ago

When ultimately unsuccessful, because these militias stand zero chance against the might of the US military, encourage grassroots supports to set up alternative "shadow" governments at the local and state level.

Republicans are setting up state governments to overturn election results without any fighting. Thanks to the concentration of Democratic voters in major cities, the balance of state governments tilts heavily in favor of Republicans. They could hand a close presidential or congressional election to their candidates through legally enacted measures, then rely on their packed court system to uphold their interference.

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u/myadsound California 7d ago

Please post to r/conservative

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u/TheFattyTron2 7d ago

you have been banned from r/conservative for having an opinion.

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u/InsertAmazinUsername 7d ago

the party of free speech. unless it's speech that they don't agree with

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u/Voidroy 7d ago

I decided to go on their discord and try to infiltrate them only to finally ask the question of how they can claim they are all about free speech and debate but put conservatives only flair on posts. Isn't that a dangerous precidebt?

The mods essentially claimed its because people like me. Brigade, and I said don't I also have a right to speak? And censoring what I say shows that you can't really defend your position?

The reasion why they do that is because they can't defend their positions as they make that position to argue in bad faith. So they don't want people to disauade their members from the conversative standpoint of being a bad faith actor.

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u/AssassinAragorn Texas 7d ago

They're too busy jerking themselves off over Hunter Biden and bad satire.

Oh, and being angry about the terrorist who died during Jan 6 because she refused to listen to Capitol Security. If only there was a "supporting terrorism" box you could tick on a report.

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u/IFDRizz 7d ago

Sounds to me like he's saying to Republican law makers-"either back my coup" or you'll all be voted out of office because I'll tell my base to stay home"......and that scares the crap out of me.

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u/LegendaryRQA 7d ago

You know who wanted people to Vote? Obama. And Clinton. And AOC. And Bernie. Look at all those liberal, socialist, communist, anti-christs wanting people to Vote. It sure would trigger them if you didn't on principal to piss them off.

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u/Bruce_NGA 7d ago

This is, by an immeasurable margin, the best idea Donald Trump has ever had.

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u/kuwabara_has_a_sword 7d ago

He's definitely just trying to stick it to Mitch, Kemp, and even the loyal Republicans for failing to keep him in office. If he wants to sabotage the people who continuously debase themselves on his behalf, they deserve every bit of it.

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u/graeuk 7d ago

can you imagine the look on Mitch McConnel's face when he read this?

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u/J00J14 7d ago

Yeah, I mean he has like one facial expression

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u/EdwardBil 7d ago

Constipated tortoise.

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u/whileoceaniasleeps 7d ago

Best idea this gaping asshole has ever had.

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u/Explains_Wrong 7d ago

I’m so angry about this election fraud. I still haven’t figured out how it was only done to Trump and not, at the same time, any other candidates and how it was all coordinated across the US but yet there is no evidence and no credible whistleblowers. Man, these guys are professionals!

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u/Ok_Philosopher_8522 Michigan 7d ago

All I’m gonna say about this is no matter WHAT that jerk tells his minions to do Democrats better make sure they get out and vote. Don’t tell yourselves ‘those idiots aren’t voting’ or ‘most of them got covid and lost their right to vote bc they’re gone’ Dems better not sit idle.

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u/fowlraul Oregon 7d ago

Reverse fake news…doing that would absolutely own every lib. Good advice.

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u/Graphitetshirt 7d ago

WILD CONSPIRACY THEORY: Everyone's laughing (and rightfully so) but I'm calling it now - this is strategic. This is how he declares he's not running in 24.

Remember, the guy didn't actually want to win in 16. He wanted to build up his brand and start a TV network to rival Fox.

He lost the popular vote but won the presidency on a 'technicality' (electoral college) and then spent the next 4 years trying to convince people he actually won the whole thing outright.

He lost badly to Biden and has spent the last year spouting the Big Lie, that it was rigged in increasingly ridiculous and convoluted ways.

Deep down, he knows he's a loser. And he's terrified other people think that way of him. It goes back to his Roy Cohn days - even when he's losing, he'll never admit it publicly.

But when he's alone, he knows. And he doesn't want to lose again.

I think in a year or 2, he officially declares that he's not running. It'll be under the auspices of "its rigged against me, they'll just steal it from me". But really it's because he's scared to be a 3-time loser.

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u/superdumb13 7d ago

Think like a narcissist and it makes sense. He wants to make sure Desantis (or whoever gets the primary) loses by a wide margin. All the better if he can influence the loss because that’s a win for his ego. Same goes for the midterms.

The party didn’t support him enough. They didn’t find enough votes. He’s probably losing influence within the party so he’s going to try to sink the ship because it’s their fault and they deserve it.

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u/Robofetus-5000 7d ago

This. He wants Republicans to lose. He gets to a) not run but also NOT lose b) sit on the sidelines and wax poetic about how if he HAD run it would have been a blow out

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u/TeamStark31 Kentucky 7d ago

He also already said the only thing that could prevent a run in 2024 is if his doctors recommended against it. I definitely think he doesn’t want to run again and only wants to sit on the sidelines complaining and taking people’s money.

At some point though, his supporters will have to move on and support someone else to try to regain power.

I’m still kind of leaning towards he won’t run again, but he might just to keep the grift going.

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u/Jim-N-Tonic 7d ago

I think he wants to run to get the money but doesn’t want to win and do the job again, and really doesn’t want to lose.

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