r/pcmasterrace Oct 20 '21 Silver 3

Privacy pls Meme/Macro

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2.5k Upvotes

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u/stanislav_harris Oct 20 '21

Tor is probably more private than VPN.

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u/Silphone Ryzen 1600x / GTX 1080sc / 16gb DDR4 Oct 20 '21

And routing your TOR connection thru a commercial VPN is arguably not more private than just using TOR alone - even on Arch Linux.

AFAIK this could even mean less privacy, because of the way the TOR network and VPNs would interact with each other, which is likely not what the end user wants and certainly not what OP thinks it does.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

you can rent your own VPS and use openVPN in it. That way you don't have to worry about your VPN providers doing some fishy shit behind the scenes. That way you can do shit like

YOU -> brave browser -> VPS (hosting your own VPN) -> TOR -> target destination

I believe there's an article or a talk about which way is more secure and anonymous

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u/orrk256 Oct 21 '21

problem is even if you own the VPN server, any VPN will basically create a 3ed weak-point in the TOR protocol, atm the only real way to track a TOR connection is if you own BOTH the start and END node, the VPN adds an extra node to this pool so you just have to know 2 of 3 Start, end or VPN node

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u/AnAncientMonk Oct 21 '21

properly configured firefox > brave browser

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

properly configured literally anything > everything else.

You might as well just create your own browser from scratch.

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u/AnAncientMonk Oct 21 '21

indeed very moody i see.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

can't disagree with u, fam.

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u/AnAncientMonk Oct 21 '21

im not your fam, bro.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

I'm not your bro, buddy.

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u/AnAncientMonk Oct 21 '21

Im not your buddy, dude.

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u/IllNerve5354 Oct 21 '21

I’m sorry I’m kinda new to this stuff are you saying jus download tor and use it with no vpn

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u/Bert306 i9-9900k 5.0 GHz | 16 GB 3600 MHz Ram | RTX 3080 Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

Yes, your web traffic is relayed and encrypted three times as it passes over the Tor network. The network is comprised of thousands of volunteer-run servers known as Tor relays. If someone was watching your internet traffic all they know is your using Tor. Not what websites you're going to

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u/LosBramos Oct 21 '21

There are suspicions of intelligence bureaus running the nodes though.

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u/orrk256 Oct 21 '21

yes, and they do it because they use tor for secret communications, the threat they pose is if any of them get a critical percentage, but they make sure they don't do this because it would significantly endanger their own operations

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u/Skimpyjumper Ryzen 2600 4.2 | Crosshair VI | Gainward 1070 TI GS | WD SN 750 Oct 21 '21

thats quite bullocks, they may own 5% of the used servers but not nearly most of them, ppl literally buy guns there and get them shipped, wouldnt happen in said cases.

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u/orrk256 Oct 21 '21

ok, basic 101 about TOR, due to how the protocol works you'd need to own and run (or at least have access to) 50+x% for hypothetical control and 90% realistically, the US gov runs about 40% of the nodes, and sure they totally know people do shit with tor, but they don't care because being able to communicate with people who you'd rather not want exposed is significantly more important than a few criminals who would then use burner communications anyways, at this point a good chunk of the onion network is run by various state actors

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

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u/LosBramos Oct 21 '21

Well it remains speculation as there is no way to verify this. And it´s true as you say it, unless they have a large percentage it will be almost impossible to snoop trafic as they´d need to be able to see who goes to what hops.

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u/zenetizen Oct 21 '21

is it better if I use vpn and then use tor?

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u/Darth_Vile Oct 21 '21

Not rly, it doesn't rly improve security that much, in general TOR offers enough protection.

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u/sneaky_squirrel Oct 21 '21

Think of it as 100 people entering inside a building without costumes on.

They all exit the building with identical costumes on and their faces covered.

People can learn you are among those 100 people, but can't pin down which of the 100 costumed people you are.

I believe Tor iterates this process multiple times before you reach your destination.

The VPN sounds similar to this, but because you only enter one building, any entity just has to twist the VPN's arm until the VPN says uncle and your anonymity is disclosed.

In order for an entity to learn your traffic when using a Tor network, they have to twist the arm of every relay machine in the network your traffic goes through to learn the website YOU are visiting.

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u/fatalrip AMD 5900, 32gb 3200mhz, 3080 RTX Oct 21 '21

This is why you want a VPN that does not log user data.

Want to see the records? Sure *hands blank piece of paper*

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u/DualSticks PC Master Race Oct 21 '21

Still, you only have their word for that. There have been cases of supposed 'no logs' VPN providers that have coughed up the logs in court.

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u/dsisl Oct 21 '21

Also some countries require logs to be kept, so while that VPN may not keep logs in most countries (and as such advertise they don’t keep logs), they might have to keep logs of of you if you’re in one of those countries.

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u/Skimpyjumper Ryzen 2600 4.2 | Crosshair VI | Gainward 1070 TI GS | WD SN 750 Oct 21 '21

nordvpn keeps logs in nearly all countries, nordvpn is the most trash example of a good vpn tbh.

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u/sneaky_squirrel Oct 21 '21

Does NordVPN have a financial incentive to snitch on its users and gets away with it due to user indolence?

I am curious about their business model, since I know so little about VPNs.

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u/dsisl Oct 21 '21

Their financial incentive is to get as many people subscribed as possible, so they bend over backwards for governments so they don’t get banned from their country, and can continue charging their citizens

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u/DualSticks PC Master Race Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

They absolutely can pin down which of the costumed people you are based on things like your monitor resolution, which browser you use, cookies, the way your PC, date/time/timezone, how you process graphics and audio, which fonts are supported, which ads you load (if any), which scripts you load, so on and so forth.

A VPN offers literally no guarantee of anonymity, despite whatever claims they may make.

Tor is better in this regard as it mitigates many, if not all of these pitfalls.

Further reading: https://matt.traudt.xyz/posts/you-want-tor-24tFBCJV/#index3h1

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u/sneaky_squirrel Oct 21 '21

I did not know that. There goes my disguise.

Thank you for the lesson.

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u/DualSticks PC Master Race Oct 21 '21

No worries, in general a VPN is good for circumventing geographical blocks (eg; netflix outside of the US) and piracy. It will certainly give you enough cover from your ISP.

In situations where life or liberty is on the line, TOR comes in.

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u/FullThrottle099 5800X, 3080 Oct 21 '21

Kinda like 2 Fast 2 Furious 🤔

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

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u/Bye_nao Oct 21 '21

Qubes perhaps? I recall Snowden saying it's what he choose (was a while back tho, could be wrong)

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u/ThingNasty Desktop Oct 21 '21

Honestly a VM would make it more secure, not a VPN... But I guess it's better to use some sort of protection than nothing at all

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u/Username2749 Oct 21 '21

Replace nordvpn with proxy chaining

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u/xdegen i5 8600k / RTX 3070 FE / 32GB 3000MHz CL15 Oct 21 '21

Also your activity is more likely to be spied upon when utilizing TOR network because many government agencies consider it suspicious behavior, especially in the US.

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u/Silphone Ryzen 1600x / GTX 1080sc / 16gb DDR4 Oct 21 '21

Yes, using TOR can be seen as suspicious behaviour - but i don't think the standalone fact you're using it would be enough to warrant putting gov spyware on your devices.

But then the US in particularly known for not giving a damn about warrants when it comes to spying on literally everyone. Neighter do most EU contries or any spy agencies for that matter.

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u/seiyamaple Oct 21 '21

I’m pretty sure the first time this was posted it was straight up an ad for NordVPN.

It makes sense too, why would it just say “VPN” on that panel if it wasn’t some kind of ad? (And I say this as one of the people who get annoyed when Reddit calls any front page post about a company an ad)

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u/Sol33t303 Gentoo 1080 ti MasterRace Oct 21 '21

The first VPN that usually comes to mind for me is nordvpn. NordVPN is already kind of a meme in of its self.

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u/roast_chief Oct 21 '21

Well you are a level 7 susceptible.

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u/hp-lovecrafts-cat-- Oct 20 '21

Op has no clue what he's on about, Tor browser is far more secure and private than a VPN, and why arch Linux specially?

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u/Dabilon AMD Ryzen 7 5800X | AMD 6700 XT Oct 21 '21

Yeah, if security you are after. You'll use Tails or Whonix. Tbh OP sounds like a NordVPN shill. Only thing missing is there shitty "promo codes".

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u/ZulkarnaenRafif Oct 21 '21

These "promo codes" exist all the time. That shady stuff they pull about the discount "running out" in several hours? Refresh that.

ExpressVPN has been bought by a shady company, what's stopping them to acquire NordVPN in the foreseeable future?

Privacy and security goes hand in hand up to a certain point. I'd like to think that you are opting for privacy if you choose Tails OS and Whonix. If you are opting for security, you'd might want to use Qubes OS (as your type 1 hypervisor) that basically sandboxes every single application.

That said, all these three OS (or distros?) are several levels beyond what normies consider to be private and secure... though I suspect that you'd be sacrificing a little bit of convenience if you're using them for just web browsing.

Not a Tails OS daily driver... but I've tried it and if I really just want to literally browse the web, watching YouTube videos, and not having any confidential information? That distro is perfectly usable, though not as a daily driver.

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u/LosBramos Oct 21 '21

Using an OS like tails and whonix will make you stand out in the crowd as very few people use it.

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u/child_of_init Oct 21 '21

Took me a long way to scroll down to find someone mention Tails.

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u/77ilham77 spends most of the time away from home, so no PC yet :( Oct 21 '21

I still don't get why people use VPN as "privacy" tool (what, just because it has the word "private" in it, it's a privacy tool?).

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u/LaoSh Ryzen 5 5600x, RTX 2080s Oct 21 '21

Top bing result for "secure os" maybe? Its defo good. Entirely open source so you can literally pick who gets your data. Parrot OS is a little better out of the box tho. Still open source, but its pre instlled with a bunch of secure software so you wont need to look around for an audio player or IDE and wind up running code that talks to the wrong people.

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u/cub3fox Oct 21 '21

Wasn't there an issue with corrupt TOR nodes a while back?

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u/sijedevos R9 290 4GB | Ryzen 7 3700x | 16GB 3200 Oct 21 '21

I wouldn’t be to sure about that. It’s very likely that some governments run tor nodes.

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u/PsLJdogg i5 8600K | Gigabyte RTX 3080 | 32GB DDR4 Oct 21 '21

Buying a new laptop isn't going to do anything when you're connecting it to the same network.

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u/ExO_o https://builds.gg/builds/simplicity-1278 Oct 21 '21

yeah lol, this meme is a tad dumb

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u/LaMifour Oct 21 '21

Especially if you login on each device

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u/animeman59 R9-5950X|64GB DDR4-3200|EVGA 2080 Ti Hybrid Oct 20 '21

NordVPN had a large hack a little over a year ago that lost people's login info.

I wouldn't put them on this list.

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u/Silphone Ryzen 1600x / GTX 1080sc / 16gb DDR4 Oct 20 '21

Especially not above TOR

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u/animeman59 R9-5950X|64GB DDR4-3200|EVGA 2080 Ti Hybrid Oct 20 '21

Yep. That, as well.

If you really valued your private browsing, then you wouldn't dare use a commercial VPN service like that. You would create your own VPN router to reroute all that traffic within TOR nodes.

Arch Linux is still a good idea. There's also other distros that do private networking a lot better, but probably not as user friendly.

That last panel might be a joke, but it's actually a valid method of keeping your browsing completely anonymous. Wiping your data and destroying your equipment makes sure that no one knows where you are.

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u/Silphone Ryzen 1600x / GTX 1080sc / 16gb DDR4 Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

Wiping your data and destroying your equipment makes sure that no one knows where you are.

IF you only use public wifi outside of your home and take nessecary precautions to not get tracked via movement pattern (pebbles in the shoe for example) go completely masked and with shades, also in a different hoodie each time and don't take the same route from and to your home too often or any time at all. Then it's actually a bit difficult even for security agencies to determine who and where you are.

If you live in a single household and use the same internet provider day in, day out, it doesn't matter much if you use a fresh machine each time you browse the web.

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u/SirNanigans Ryzen 2700X | rx 590 | Oct 21 '21

Why is Arch a good idea (in particular)? Do other distros lack something to ensure privacy?

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u/animeman59 R9-5950X|64GB DDR4-3200|EVGA 2080 Ti Hybrid Oct 21 '21

I can't list the specifics, but certain distros focus more on different things than others.

From what I understand, Arch Linux allows for a lot of granular modifications to make it work however you want. This is one reason that Valve is using it for their Steam Deck. You can also configure one specifically for network protection.

There are other distros that have all of those features, programs, and stuff built in, specifically for the purpose of networking.

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u/Teraload https://imgur.com/a/kZSjr Oct 21 '21

Not only that, but the hackers also acquired the TLS keys. Technically making it possible to view unencrypted traffic from an unsuspecting NordVPN user to the infected or fake NordVPN server.

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u/SorunluBirey Oct 20 '21

What does Arch Linux have to do with anything? Did you mean to say Tails?

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u/tusk_b3 gtx1650 | ryzen 3 2200g | 24g DDR4 Oct 21 '21

i think op heard linux had good security so he just listed the first distro he knew.

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u/KotoWhiskas Pop!_OS | I7-10700F | RX470 4GB | 32GB RAM Oct 21 '21

I'hacker and I use arch btw

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u/Skimpyjumper Ryzen 2600 4.2 | Crosshair VI | Gainward 1070 TI GS | WD SN 750 Oct 21 '21

much smart, much believable. and even if, linux is used because of the lack of need of driver evaluation making things way easier than on windows, and the general openess itself. having linux is not going to make you suddenly hackerman.

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u/KotoWhiskas Pop!_OS | I7-10700F | RX470 4GB | 32GB RAM Oct 21 '21

It's a joke

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u/D_r_e_a_D PC Master Race Oct 21 '21

Arch can be arguably "made to be privacy/security focused" but honestly most Arch users are casual desktop users.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

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u/sijedevos R9 290 4GB | Ryzen 7 3700x | 16GB 3200 Oct 21 '21

And why is that? The have a 0 logging policy which has been audited and they passed.

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u/Teraload https://imgur.com/a/kZSjr Oct 21 '21

Your VPN is only as secure as your VPN provider itself.

NordVPN has been breached in the past and got their TLS keys stolen, technically making it possible for an attacker to view all network traffic unencrypted from an unsuspecting NordVPN user.

Now... they fixed it and claimed no such malicious attacks happened after their keys got stolen. However, as a VPN provider, when you get breached once, your credibility goes down with it as well.

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u/Cowzilla94 PC Master Race Oct 21 '21

Who’s gonna tell him about NAT?

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u/KiwiSenior3348 Oct 21 '21

here is my guide to complete anonymity and safety

New computer and never use for personal stuff

Public WI-FI network

Virtual Machine

Tor browser

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u/Callexpa Desktop | i-5 10400F | RTX 2070 SUPER Oct 21 '21

why Arch linux and not Tails?

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u/the_settlements XFX 5700 XT/Ryzen 7 2700X/32GB DDR4 Oct 21 '21

Am I the only one that uses Mullvad? They accept all forms of payment. Credit cards, bitcoin, and if you want to best privacy cash through the mail. And its cheap. 5 bucks a month.

I forgot to add. There is no name to accounts. You just get an account number and that's it. You lose that account number then you're screwed.

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u/wallefan01 3700X, 1660Ti, 64GB 2666, 512GB 970 Evo, 6TB RAID, Manjaro Linux Oct 21 '21

Tor+NordVPN+Arch Linux

No love for Tails OS?

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u/ZulkarnaenRafif Oct 21 '21

Imagine using internet and Arch Linux.

Real privacy enthusiasts use TempleOS.

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u/wallefan01 3700X, 1660Ti, 64GB 2666, 512GB 970 Evo, 6TB RAID, Manjaro Linux Oct 21 '21

Galaxy brain: Use an OS that doesn't let you access the internet at all

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u/ZulkarnaenRafif Oct 21 '21

His goals are beyond our understanding.

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u/Large_Dr_Pepper Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I know this is just a meme, but even if you did that your ISP could still see what you're looking up right?

Edit: I'm only talking about the last image, I can see why everyone is confused.

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u/FogOfTheFuture Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

If used correctly, probably not. They will be able to see that you're using a VPN/Tor, but not what you're accessing. Thats not to say it makes you invisible, but your ISP doesn't have the power or reason to do things like forcing your VPN provider to turn over records to bypass the VPN.

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u/deefop R5 1600x - RX 480 - 16GB DDR4 3200mhz Oct 20 '21

I mean, the whole point of a VPN tunnel is that people outside the tunnel can't see into the tunnel.

If you mean the joke of just buying a laptop each time you browse the internet and not taking any of the other steps, then sure.

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u/GaryV83_at_Work AMD Ryzen 7 2700U/Vega 10 Oct 20 '21

Between the Tor and VPN, it would be incredibly hard to. They could see one application, potentially both of them, but they would not be able to see beyond that without some invasive forensic applications that they just would not have readily available.

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u/SDRSMeister Oct 20 '21

Yep, no matter what you do or what measures you go to, your ISP will know what you're doing no matter what.

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u/deefop R5 1600x - RX 480 - 16GB DDR4 3200mhz Oct 20 '21

Why would you think that? Nothing about that is true.

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u/SDRSMeister Oct 21 '21

Considering that they provide your internet connection, one would assume they at least have some sort of way to atleast see which domain you're on. I did exaggerate on that last bit for sure though, apologies.

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u/deefop R5 1600x - RX 480 - 16GB DDR4 3200mhz Oct 21 '21

I mean this isn't an ambiguous thing. You can read and learn about networking to understand it, but there are plenty of ways to hide traffic from your isp.

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u/Silphone Ryzen 1600x / GTX 1080sc / 16gb DDR4 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

When using TOR for example, all that your ISP sees is that you exchange encrypted packages with a node in the TOR network. There is no direct connection between you and the server you ultimately get the final data from.

You send encrypted packages to a TOR node, that node then forwards that request (which is encrypted in the packages) to eighter another node or directly contacts the server that you want to navigate to. At that point your ISP already can't see anymore what server you ultimately get the data from, since you only communicate with the TOR node. The node has a separate connection to eighter another node or the server you want to navigate to, which your ISP can't see.

Also the server you ultimately end up getting the data from does also only see that a TOR node requests that data. Neighter the end server nor your ISP can see where the sent packages ultimately go.

The only way your ISP could see what you really request and what server you actually are navigating to would be if they crack the encryption of all your network packages - which would in turn mean your ISP is capable of cracking the military-grade encryption protocols that TOR uses.

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u/chaiscool Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

Yet you login to Facebook / Reddit in all those scenarios haha

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u/Bitflux007 Oct 21 '21

Nordvpn will sell your ass any second the government come knocking at their door.

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u/DaaneJeff PC Master Race Oct 21 '21

Tell me that you don't know anything about IT security without telling me that you don't know anything about IT security.

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u/Unwashed_villager R5 5600G | 1660Ti | Oct 20 '21

Building your own personal world wide web.

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u/Mallard_of_glory Oct 21 '21

Nord VPN ad lol

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u/razirazo i7-4790k | Intel HD4600 | 12GB Oct 21 '21

Whatever is this is so wrong, stupid and cringe af

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u/Zobmachine Oct 21 '21

VPNs don't serve any privacy purpose, they just move the problem away from your ISP to your VPN provider.

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u/Cerenas Ryzen 7 5800X | Radeon 5600 XT Oct 21 '21

This indeed, I still don't understand why people keep shilling VPN providers. Since most websites support https your ISP cannot see what you are doing anyways. Only thing to keep in mind if you use your ISP's DNS that they can see which website you visit, but not what you're doing on it.

So if you want to avoid that, use a different DNS server, one with DoH/DoT support would be even better.

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u/DaaneJeff PC Master Race Oct 21 '21

Because most people don't even have basic knowledge about networking, encryption etc.

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u/DopplerShiftIceCream Oct 21 '21

I do it for yarr matey. I'll admit many people do it for reasons that don't make sense though ("I don't want a middleman to see my passwords").

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u/Snowballdog53 Oct 20 '21

I personally send carrier pigeons for my internet queries to Al Gore.

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u/moesam961 i5-9400F | RTX 2060 | 16GB Oct 20 '21

Mr. Robot intensifies

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u/Intentional_Nonsense Oct 20 '21

Tor needs an onion unless you want meth ninjas to show up at your house.

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u/captmotorcycle TOWER 900 3900X, Zotac Trinity 3090, 64Gb Ram Oct 21 '21

The last one isn't going to work as you still have the same ISP.

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u/IceCreamGamer AMD Ryzen 7 3800x | MSI RTX 3070 SUPRIM X 8G Oct 21 '21

I know this is a meme. But for the non tech savy, a good practice is to buy a cheap laptop/chromebook and do all your financial stuff on that device. The key is to only do financial stuff on that laptop and nothing else. Keep your reddit debauchery and incognito browsing on your main pc.

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u/notddh Oct 21 '21

this doesn't make any sense tbh

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u/PhoneticAlphabet Oct 21 '21

Make sure you check your facts before making a meme that makes no sense. OP, I get what you are trying to accomplish, but it doesn't make zero sense to anyone who knows how all of this works.

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u/soldier_ph Oct 21 '21

More like Tails+Tor Browser+ProtonVPN

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u/DeathGabox Oct 21 '21

Change Mac

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u/MrDuckyyy Laptop ♨ | i5-9300H @4.1GHz | GTX 1650 Ti | 16 GB 3200 Oct 21 '21

buying a new laptop wont change your IP..

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u/RectalVesuvius Oct 20 '21

All but the last one are CIA fronts, probably.

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u/huh_phd PC Master Race Oct 21 '21

You forgot talOS

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u/thelonioussphere Oct 21 '21

Burner Laptop!

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u/BetterWarrior Oct 21 '21

The last one should be "Not giving a fuck"

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u/I_Love_Rias_Gremory_ i9 9900k@5GHz | 2080ti | 32gb Oct 21 '21

Multiple layers of VMs all using the Tor circuit as a VPN and running arch Linux

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u/benderbender42 Oct 21 '21

Buying a new laptop isn't private if you don't use vpn, you'll be tracked via your IP

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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 Oct 21 '21

Somebody forgot about TAIL OS

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u/tenno198 Ryzen 5 4600H - GTX 1660 Ti - 16GB Oct 21 '21

Buy a new laptop and a router and go to another country

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u/CeruleanDragon1 Ryzen 2700X, Radeon 590, DDR4 32GB Oct 21 '21

Just use TAILS.

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u/MON-Emperor Oct 21 '21

tailsOS is the privacy OS. literally resets everytime u reboot

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u/roshatron Oct 21 '21

Instead of buying a new Laptop can't we just create a new Virtual Machine every time you have to browse the Internet

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u/SponGbab99 Oct 21 '21

So we have to buy a new laptop for buying new laptop online.

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u/PotionSeller1223 Oct 21 '21

Why Arch you say? Because we need to give ourselves a circle jerk every five seconds because it's Arch in question.

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u/dynablt 10700K 16GB DDR4-3200MHz RX580 8GB G5 34 inch Oct 21 '21

I use Firefox focus for phone

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u/Jicier Oct 21 '21

Getting a new isp every time you browse the internet

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u/GranataReddit12 Oct 21 '21

Starting a new life everytime you open chrome

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u/Skimpyjumper Ryzen 2600 4.2 | Crosshair VI | Gainward 1070 TI GS | WD SN 750 Oct 21 '21

anyone that trusted and or still trusts nordvpn is a lost soul, and a tad stupid.

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u/PokemonBeing i5-4670k GTX770 Oct 21 '21

NordVPN isn't that great. Like TOR alone is more safe than TOR through NordVPN (or any VPN)

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

BWAHAH the last statment had me dying. I was like what gets more private than Tor + NordVPN + Arch Linux? Oh. buying a new rig hahahahahaha so wild

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u/jopeal Oct 21 '21

Never underestimate the icognito tabs

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u/KennixCzech i7-11700f | 16GB | RTX 3060 | 1TB SSD Oct 21 '21

*buying a new laptop while using tor, nordvpn and arch linux everytime you browse the internet

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u/Khrot RTX 3090 / 10900K / 64GB Ram Oct 21 '21

PIA gang

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u/JaydenPope i7-6700k/16GB Ram/ 980 Ti Classified SLI/ Oct 21 '21

This makes me nervous as i use Nord regularly.

Anyone recommend a different VPN to use ?

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u/ranold_fabian21 Oct 21 '21

i was using bluestacks with vpn app dont know if i that shit worked

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u/SunbleachedAngel Oct 21 '21

Most VPNs are less private than incognito mode because they store your data