r/leagueoflegends Dec 03 '21 Silver 5 Helpful 5 Wholesome 10

1-14-7 brand with 3 levels and 2 items down two shots me in less than a second while missing a skillshot

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u/One_Barber_7984 Dec 03 '21

You can spot the point at which he panicked and pressed everything at once

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u/eBay_Riven_GG return of the king Dec 03 '21

Except the one that saves him.

How can the guy even post to reddit that he got oneshot when he sits there and takes the dot for like 5 seconds and then dies with zhonias up XD

The brand first hit him at 10 seconds in the video and he died at 21 seconds. Guess we have to inform everyone that oneshots are now 11 seconds long.

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u/NocaNoha Dec 03 '21

Killed by a chicken

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u/Fisherman_Gabe Dec 03 '21

Chicken uprising. They're tired of being slaughtered by mid laners waiting for the next minion wave to arrive.

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u/twodickhenry Dec 03 '21

Link having PTSD flashbacks in the corner

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u/Avalonians Dec 03 '21

He hit the chicken first tho.

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u/Bibibis Dec 03 '21

Absolute chad Cait making fun of you by recalling with her Heal up

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u/detaramegoeg Dec 03 '21

dude apologized and said they didnt think i'd die. cant blame him bc i thought the same and didnt use my zhonyas either (we'd still lose if i did though)

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u/PhoenixAgent003 Dec 03 '21 Helpful Wholesome

A long time ago, someone yelled at me for not using Heal to save them.

It traumatized me so greatly, I’ve since had moments where I flash to get into range to Heal someone at 1/3 health.

Is it poor use of summoners? Yes. Has anyone ever pinged my Heal as being ready after their death ever again?

Yeah, obviously. Sometimes I still forget, I’m like Silver III.

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u/Xhillia Dec 03 '21

One of my favourite moments in league was when our Kha'zix ganked bot but ended up going wayyyy deep on his own and died. Then he spam pinged my heal and it said Vayne: Heal - 45s. Lol.

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u/tanezuki Growing Big Dec 03 '21

Tbh I already died because I went too deep due to visual bugs on ultimate abilities.

Most recent I can remember is an Ekko I was seeing having his ult both from the green light on his ultimate but also through the afterimage that for some reason I was able to see moving around like if he had his ult up. When he pinged me his ult I was shocked to see such visual bugs can still happens.

On another note, am I the only one who sometimes see this happens, for a VERY brief moment, seeing an afterimage somewhere I just got vision that almost instantly disappears ?

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u/Kronoshifter246 bird daddy Dec 03 '21

On another note, am I the only one who sometimes see this happens, for a VERY brief moment, seeing an afterimage somewhere I just got vision that almost instantly disappears ?

For Ekko? Nope, I see it all the time. It's like an artifact of the client "catching up" to the after image's actual location when you gain vision on Ekko.

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u/SacoNegr0 Dec 04 '21

On another note, am I the only one who sometimes see this happens, for a VERY brief moment, seeing an afterimage somewhere I just got vision that almost instantly disappears ?

No, it's extremely common (if you're talking about ekko). I personally think it's because when ekko enters the fog, he ceases to exist in your client, so when he appears again, the afterimage you see it's calculated based on the last time he existed in your game

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u/Duosion Dec 03 '21

I flash heal ALL THE TIME. I was a support main a few seasons ago so it’s ingrained in me to save others if I can. It makes me feel like such a hero when I do it.

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u/Nubraskan Dec 03 '21

Full mute everything and play for you. More than half of what your teammates ask you to do is not the best way to win. A good chunk of it is intended to tilt you. Speaking to silvers like you're one of them is bad for climbing.

Edit: To be clear, once in a blue moon a flash heal may be a good play. Generally not, but sometimes... but only do it if you think it helps you win. Not for their feelings.

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u/MrDieu Dec 03 '21

I remember one of my first game ever (way back), new to the moba genre and I was fighting as cho vs a warwick. I used heal during that fight and won. The ww got mad in chat because i fought 'unfairly'.

So I stopped using heal during teamfights for a few games... Only to realize later on that it was no different than using flash or ignite xd

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u/Okipon Revert Janna I beg you Dec 03 '21 Wholesome

No no no. A REAL LoL player would've wish death to all of Cait's family while pinging her heal 6 times and saying your zhonya was on cd without pinging it.

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u/weaselgregory13 Dec 03 '21

But only after pinging the jungler 10 times for no recognizable reason.

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u/Minute_Course747 Dec 03 '21

Dumb jungler, if he had cleared raptors, TF wouldn't have died :D

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u/ironudder Dec 03 '21

Look, the encounter happened in the jungle and it is therefore his fault for being bad /s

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u/Kava_ Dec 03 '21

yeah bro my zhonya had 2s cd so its you who fucked up and lost the game :)

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u/CertifiedCoffeeDrunk Dec 03 '21

How did I get tilted reading a comment on reddit

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u/sash_lol Dec 03 '21

I guess the only scenario that would have favoured you would have been to use zhonyas right after cait killed him, which would have left you around ~70% hp and could have avoided brand ult completely but that is obv easy to say in hindsight.

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u/syntex00 Dec 03 '21

cait didnt do anything wrong, i would recall as well, knowing my tf has zhonyas, lol

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u/JesiAsh Dec 03 '21

Raptor bounce for third combo strike~ lol

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u/Zaxbys_Cook Dec 03 '21

Funniest part about the raptor is TF was the one who hit it and brought it close enough to bounce

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u/lime_shell Dec 03 '21

op wanted to shit on game but everyone shits on op

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u/Mattlh91 Blessing & a💧CRS🔥 Dec 03 '21

What detonates at 13-14 second mark?

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u/JesiAsh Dec 03 '21

Blaze (Passive). Enemies hit by Brand abilities get stack of Ablaze for 4sec and if enemies will collect 3 of them then "fire becomes unstable" exploding those stacks after 2sec.

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u/H-Priapus Dec 03 '21

Remember when faker got solo'd by the Gold 4 Brand player lol.

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u/MonM7 Dec 03 '21 Silver Helpful

Yeah, this is working as intended.

Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.

Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).

Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.

Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because Tf was already dead.

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u/lastdickshooter Dec 03 '21

Do you have the link to the original comment?

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u/CosmoJones07 Dec 03 '21

All the arguments in here about Brand being core build already and basically justifying this are technically all true/correct, but I'd be willing to bet 98% of people making that case, if they died to a 1/14 Brand (or anyone) in game, they'd be heated about that in the moment. (No pun intended)

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u/SelloutRealBig Dec 03 '21

Anyone defending a 1-14 anything killing a 13 kill 3 level up mid lane after missing 50% of their skills must be iron. The power creep has gotten out of hand in this game and now i know why. Because shitty players in low elo can get free kills like the brand above. If this was season 1-3 that brand would be dead 100% of the time. Don't give me that "but TF no MR" bullshit. You shouldn't need MR vs a 1-14 support. While zhonyas armor isn't good vs their team, without it Diana will just 1 shot TF every time due to once again... bullshit power creep in this game.

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u/Pika_Fox Dec 04 '21

He has little HP and no MR, didnt bother using his one defensive pop, and is TF. It doesnt matter how many kills TF is up or how few kills Brand has, Brand will instakill TF with a full combo with only an item or two, and him missing an ability becomes irrelevant when TF fought next to a jungle camp that made him take multiple ult bounces solo.

This has nothing to do with power creep, this is building glass cannon and finding out you really are glass cannon.

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u/Low_Well Dec 03 '21

“This Sion keeps inting but is still useful! How does that work?!”

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u/HemoTalon Dec 03 '21

You realise brand could do this 5 years ago yeah? He does %maxhp magic damage. In fact, Brand could have done this 5 years ago with one item. Just liandries. Brands ult base damage is rather massive.

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u/Random_Stealth_Ward 💤🌠FBI 🐈📙 Dec 04 '21

He actually could do even more Damage than this over a longer period of time, now it's flashier and condenses his damage into his passivs explosion so Brand can't mindlessly chuck stuff at you and win lane for hitting one spell without getting a rota on you

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u/Rathalos143 Dec 07 '21

Anyone who says a 0/14 support brand could do that or more clearly didn't play or doesn't remember old League

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u/nerfseason11damage Dec 04 '21

Yes because they would realise its bullshit someone can play like a sack of anal juice the whole game and still be relevant,but now they feel like acting smart while being complete brainlets missing the point.

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u/terenul1 Dec 03 '21

Dont post such videos here unless you want armchair analysts here to point out your every mistake while trying to somehow say that everything is fine.

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u/Deathcommand Dec 03 '21

I posted a video of master yi appearing where he wasn't supposed to before he blinked back to where he was supposed to and people said I should have known the location where he appeared was wrong and I should have ulted the empty location where he didn't show up. Lol.

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u/NymphomaniacWalrus Your friendly neighbourhood fight initiator Dec 03 '21

Unless it's a bruiser/assassin oneshotting a squishy. Then it's OP and should be nerfed.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '21

If aatrox outplays and lands a perfect combo on an ADC with galeforce resulting in a 100-0 kill in one rotation, he's braindead OP but if VEX presses R W to assassinate as a "anti-mobility mage" it's her identity ok armchair game designers

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u/Mathmagician94 Dec 04 '21

vex is such a weird design. Early on, she kinda feels anti-mobility, but after like 2 items, she because a mobility oneshot mage, due to her R-W combo lol

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u/detaramegoeg Dec 03 '21

i have my mistakes, i play in gold after all but it doenst make the interaction fair. i wont argue with people next time i post smt like this

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u/frivolous_squid Dec 03 '21

It depends what you mean by fair. Should a mage with 2.5 items + boots be able to full combo someone with 0 extra MR and not much extra HP? Probably yes. It would be unfair if not. You being ahead / them being behind just means you have more gold and levels, but if you haven't spent the gold on defensive stats and they've spent all of it on offense then I don't see why you wouldn't expect to be killed. Sure, you can definitely kill them too, and you did.

Your gold does give you an advantage, but if Brand is close enough and has time to combo you, then you're not using all of it. The way you've spent your gold lets you chunk enemies like brand with gold card + Q and RFC without them ever getting in range.

I am surprised that he could chunk you with missing Q and not casting W, but brand's damage mostly comes from triggering his passive anyway.

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u/Not_Ali_A Dec 03 '21

except this wasn't a full combo. It was 2 of his 4 dating abilities yo begin with. secondly the guy is down two levels as well.

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u/PapyPelle Dec 03 '21

The guy you are replying to has a point : brand did trigger his passiv with the 2 abilities. Yes W hit hard, but with the 2 items brand built the passiv proc is much more worth (he is not lunden rabaddon, in which case W miss would be a huge argument). If it wasnt for that raptor bounce tf would have been totally fine and above 40% hp

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u/revolverlolicon Dec 03 '21

brand did trigger his passive with the 2 abilities

And the argument is that his passive combined with DoT items does way too much damage for way too little skill

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u/6spooky9you Dec 03 '21

Yeah but if this was way too strong why is brand literally unplayable mid, and one of the worst supports in the game. People are looking at this one clip in a vacuum.

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u/throwawaynumber116 mid challenge Dec 03 '21

Unironically a hard mage to play vs most comps because his only reliable cc is killing them. I like it though, gives me a rush of adrenaline in this sleepy crown/cringebow meta :)

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u/6spooky9you Dec 03 '21

Dude I know, I'm seeing people saying he's the easiest mage when I think he's by far one of the hardest. Fairly low range, no reliable cc, no defensive tools, he literally only does damage.

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u/throwawaynumber116 mid challenge Dec 03 '21

Yeah its very easy to see which of these people don’t play mages just by their warped perception of champs like brand and veigar.

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u/throwawaynumber116 mid challenge Dec 03 '21

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Brand is a champ that only finds use because of his damage. He gives up range/mobility and reliable cc/self peel for damage, why doesn’t the literal kamikaze champ deserve to have damage against a squishy target with no mr?

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u/wensen I'm D5 0lp AKA hot garbage Dec 03 '21

He's also only played support because he can do stuff like this while behind and on support income. Vel and Zyra have similar issues where they piss out DPS with little amounts of gold. Is this a problem? Not really, It's how over time Riot decided to balance these champions, The problem comes in when they can miss the majority of their kit and still land something to chunk someone which makes them too forgiving.

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u/ski4urlife Angy Yodle Dec 03 '21

Counter point: TF landed all of his skills and (I think) 2 lich procs and Everfrost, while he has 3.5 mage items.

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u/Syfix Dec 03 '21

TF is a completely different champ and by design, does less damage than Brand. Not all things are equal. Brand should do more damage than a TF, but the TF has more playmaking potential.

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u/Infernew Dec 03 '21

One is a heavy damage dealing burst machine that has his whole kit built around dealing hp% damage and whatever while the other has a teleport, a point a guaranteed stun (if you manage to pick the right card) and a passive that leads to gold generation...

TF isn't built to oneshot champions, if this was a Talon or a veigar the brand wouldn't even get to press enough buttons to proc his passive in the first place

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u/gaom9706 Zeri flair when? Dec 03 '21

But you don't get it mage players should never have to use their brains.

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u/RaccoonD Dec 03 '21

As a mage player, I agree.

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u/Spacemn5piff Dec 03 '21

"all" TF has one damage spell, a utility spell with a little damage, and a single enhanced auto, mediocre at that, oh and a utility active with a little damage on it.

Brand hit his ult twice and a damage spell, triggered his damage passive and the 2 damage passives on his items.

TF also wasted like 4k gold on armor, attack speed, movespeed, crit chance and passive / active item utility. Everfrost root did nothing here since TF didn't kite out of range of brand while he was rooted. TF didn't use hourglass. Armor does nothing here and attack speed and crit are largely meaningless here.

I don't think a single gold in brand's build was wasted here. Every stat contributed.

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u/frivolous_squid Dec 03 '21

I mean that's just TF. He has a ranged targeted stun and a utility ult. You don't pick him for burst or high DPS, you pick him for regular CC/chunking and for map plays.

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u/SilverKnightOfMagic Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Tf also isnt a burst mage and isnt ahead of the curve. The two items with utlity that brings TF to the next level wasnt utlized.

Brand went for a simpler play style and was able to utlize his kit and items better in 1 to 2 seconds compared to the tf.

Lets look at tfs items. Everfrost isnt the ap damage mythic. Its a utlity mythic with some ap, cdr, and hp. RFC is also more utlity in terms of range and minim damage. Tf maybe used the damage but not the range at all. Similarly zhonyas is ap and armor. He has sorc boots which is good for damage but at this point in the game its less effective. He has lichbane which damage oriented based on a cd. Which the tf didnt utilize by going in and out of range to synergize with kit or hia RFC. He has a blasting wand which is kpol for damage but tfs kit for scaling ap isnt that awesome. Tfs kit and passive isnt geared for burst so in this specifc interaction of DPS tf is outmatched as it is not damage vs tank but damage vs damage.

Brands mythic is damage themed instead of utlity. Demonic embraces has hp and ap. Both the items have good synergy with his passive and overall kit.

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u/Applinator Score was robbed Dec 03 '21

not all champs are supposed to do the same thing, TF gets RFC Gold cards, Brand gets big ol burst. Different strokes.

If I land all my spells as a Braum on a zoe and she just claps me with an E + Q, she should outdamage me

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u/Spacemn5piff Dec 03 '21

Yeah, most people don't act shocked if a Ludens + [insert ap item] syndra can 3 hit them when they don't have MR. But if a brand does it oh nooooooooo

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u/iSheepTouch Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

And Syndra with similar items would have completely deleted that TF in that exact situation, even being way behind, and walked away. Annie would have done the same thing, so would Malzahar. All of those champs are even easier to point and click delete squishy mid laners, and they wouldn't have had to get lucky with a bounce off raptors to get it done either. Bitching about Brand of all champions being broken is stupid.

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u/Finndalin12 Dec 03 '21

the champion has an insane amount of counter play, its literally the reason he is only decent Gold and below

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u/Mikamymika demondaddy Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

You are 30 minutes into the game, brand has AP from 3 items, pen from boots, runes and stacking burn damage.

You have no mr build up and expect not to get one shot? Doesn't matter if brand has 15 deaths, he has enough AP to kill a squishy, if he get's his passive off you are dead meat.

I know that in your thinking, ''I am 13/9, I shouldn't lose to a champ that is 1/15'' but that is wrong.

It has been 30 minutes.

When you are tf you have to respect brand.

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u/DefectiveSp00n Dec 03 '21

"I'm 20 and 0, my kills should count as armor"

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u/mrmakefun Dec 03 '21

Speaking of armor, that's a stat Zhonya's gives you. If only it did something else besides that too...

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u/reivers Dec 03 '21

People really think 1/14 means you shouldn't do any damage at all, apparently. That you shouldn't have to do anything to mitigate their damage at all.

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u/billiebol Dec 03 '21

To be fair that is usually the case for a 1-14, they are totally irrelevant. Usually.

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u/IcyPanda123 Dec 03 '21

Meanwhile a 1/14 ADC would be lucky to tickle somebody over the course of 30 autos LOL

I'm sitting here reading peoples comments like "You think just cause you're 1/14 you shouldn't do damage?" I'm like have any of you ever played AD?

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u/RaiseYourDongersOP nerf support Dec 03 '21

Yeah I would love to see these people's opinions flip when people want 1/14 ADCs to do damage.

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u/IcyPanda123 Dec 03 '21

Title: I auto'd <insert tank or bruiser here> 65 times in a teamfight and he didn't die

"you're 1-14, what exactly did you expect to do???"

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u/svipy Dec 03 '21

People really think 1/14 means you shouldn't do any damage at all

Nobody is saying that

You shouldn't be able to kill 85% HP champ with two point and click spells is the point of this post I think

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u/CyberneticSaturn Dec 03 '21

If you put your dick into a woodchipper it doesn't matter how much you can bench.

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u/borkbanquet Dec 03 '21

Wasn't expecting to read high-class poetry on the LoL sub on a friday afternoon.

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u/radiokungfu Lee God Dec 03 '21

you have such a way with words

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u/IrrationalDesign Dec 03 '21

with two point and click spells

It matters that these spells take 10 seconds to do their full damage, that creates huge openings for counterplays (healing, lifesteal, shielding, zhonya). It's not 'just 2 spells and you're dead', there are counterplays that this sentence ignores. If brand did 'a normal amount/not so much' damage and his damage took 10 seconds to complete, that would be unfair. Triggering his passive is where he gets his damage, he was just licky that the bird let him bounce his ult, if that didn't happen TF would be at 30% health. Sure, point and click spells have downsides, but brand's damage is pretty avoidable (unless you're unlucky like this).

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u/6spooky9you Dec 03 '21

Yeah but we're arguing about brand here lmao, he's one of the worst supports in the game and is unplayable anywhere else. He has been useless the rest of this game and he finally bursts the squishy mid who made several mistakes. What's the alternative to this? TF just tanks the burn damage because he's ahead?

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u/FreezingVenezuelan Dec 03 '21

people on this sub seem to forget they sometimes will be the 1/14 player and if item spikes werent a thing every single game would be lost the minute you die twice.

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u/NonnagLava Dec 03 '21

Like other people don't seem to get you can be 0/20, and if the game is 55 minutes, and you'd sitting on 15 assists and 200 CS you're gonna have full items, and do the same as basically anyone else.

In this case Brand's got his items he needs anything else is just seasoning to the feast. He doesn't need to have more gold, as he has what he needs, IE the double burn and pen combo.

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u/Conker184 Dec 03 '21

Nobody is saying that

It is literally in the title of the post implying Brand should do less damage

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u/twodickhenry Dec 03 '21

The percentage of HP he has doesn’t matter if his max HP is low. He’s squishy. Brand is brand. That’s the whole point.

Tf should have mercs, and maybe banshees or abyssal, if he expects to survive him once he’s gotten his mythic. That’s it. The brand did massive damage, and it is frustrating to see, but it’s not, like… news

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u/UsagiNiisan Dec 03 '21

The TF also should have used their Zhonya’s.

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u/eBay_Riven_GG return of the king Dec 03 '21

But it is fine. If you choose to not build mr against an overwhelmingly ap heavy enemy team and refuse to use Zhonias to survive then you deserve to die. Literally nothing armchair about it.

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u/pereza0 Dec 03 '21

Yeah.

I mean, this is not an instant 100 to 0 "you should have done a perfect Zhonya's with near perfect reaction time situation" or "dodge this fast skillshot with Zhonya's" situation

This is a "your health slowly ticking down" situation where you get to sip your drink, check your phone and then press Zhonya's before the dot kills you

If you are buying powerful actives and not using them, you are throwing gold in the dump, you effectively have less stats than you should

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u/frenkli_h Dec 03 '21

agreed tbh posted an exact same clip like weeks ago but it was a 1/10 lux support one shooting me instead and everyone was trying to do the exact thing u pointed out

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u/Zonic500 Dec 03 '21

What a talented player

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u/azns123 :naef: Dec 03 '21

Did you see the way he mashed QWEWRQEQERW? Us mortals can only hope to mimic a fraction of his power

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u/Mobshigoo Dec 03 '21

Brand has been doing this shit for a long time, except now he doesn't need a champion around for bounces lol, not saying it's ok but it is what it is

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u/11ce_ Dec 03 '21

Brand ult bouncing to minions and monsters isn’t a new thing.

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u/Figgy20000 Dec 03 '21

I can't tell if you are making fun of the brand or the TF who didn't zonya for 11 seconds XD

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u/SenseiWu1708 Dec 03 '21

Being honest, Brand's DoT is the most cancerous in the game along with Lillia's

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u/dyancat Dec 03 '21

Take out adaptive helm though for some reason.

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u/TBOJ Dec 03 '21

i put zyra in here too.

Zyra / brand are two support mages that regularly do the most damage in a game while going 0/6 in lane.

I think they need some rework so their damage isn't as guaranteed as it is and in exchange give them some mobility/survivability - brand especially.

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u/Lonebarren Dec 03 '21

The problem is the interaction between their dots and items that apply dots. Liandries specifically reapplies after every tick of brands passive, which does crazy damage when you consider the burn itself does mental damage to anyone who has built any kind of HP

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u/TheBatemanFlex Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

I main Zyra. She is a joke at low elo. Literally mindless and will top damage easily. It would be cool if they made her interesting to play. I don’t know if they could do a straight nerf because she is already not very viable mid elo.

Edit: I read the rest of your comment. I think a trade off for mobility/ survivability would be sweet and add some complexity to her.

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u/SpacedClown Dec 03 '21

As a shit Zyra main this is something I have to remember. I can't just look at the end game damage chart and say "Well I did the most" and que next, because my laning can always be improved and I'm self sabotaging more often than not with bad plays that my damage does not make up for.

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u/1pecseth Dec 03 '21

It’s incredible how many people are in this thread really trying to defend this. Yes, Brand is a full damage champ who sacrifices everything to fill his kit with DPS. That shouldn’t mean it’s impossible for him to not get a kill.

He face checked a bush without vision alone deep in enemy jungle while way behind, missed his Q and didn’t even use his W. You couldn’t play that any worse if you tried. He put himself way out of position then mashed his face into his keyboard and got a kill and people in this thread act like he’s entitled to that kill because he’s playing Brand. It was terrible macro that put him there, terrible micro that caused him to literally miss every skillshot, and terrible design that got him a kill.

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u/ShowerDelay Dec 03 '21

I totally agree the dot items refreshing on some champion dots is ridiculous.

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u/xpxpx Dec 03 '21

as a fringe Lillia picker I wouldn't even be mad to see the interaction go.

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u/Lame_Night Dec 03 '21

Riot games would probably try to defend this. They want the pace of the game to be big damage on everyone and big sustain on almost everyone. Near one shots and full health heals have felt like the name of the game for the last 2 years.

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u/catskil3bBirdsyearly Dec 03 '21

Have you seen how much reddit bitches when ever we get anywhere remotely close to a 'tank' meta?

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u/ImTheOceanMan Dec 03 '21

Brand mains out in force in the comments, lol.

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u/NunoxGames Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Its the same players that defended syndra missing everyting then pressing R Ignite for 100-0's back when she was batshit broken and perma picked or banned in pros in the 2nd half of season 6 ,people will defend mage's bs to no end just because they dont have mobility,not even mages ,it was the same with release sett having some nuts winrate and bwipo having 74%+ winrate with him rank 1 in 80 games and people here still defended him as a good design because "no mobility".

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u/SelloutRealBig Dec 03 '21

Your argument extends past mages. The 2 items yasuo, the 1 item assassin, etc. The game just has TOO MUCH DAMAGE right now.

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u/Ok-Travel-7875 Dec 03 '21

Welcome to league or at least reddit. How anyone thinks a hard inting mage supp should be able to do even half that damage while missing everything is truly beyond me. Idk if it's the base stats or what but someone dying that much, not really farming, not really participating needs to do damn near zero damage.

Absolutely gross that this could ever happen. It should *never* be on the TF to build MR against a 1-14 ape to stop himself from being killed in 2-3 spells.

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u/Capt3vi Dec 03 '21

My favorite is the Reddit analysts yelling “BUT YOU DIDNT ZHONYA”. Sorry bro, I guess OP didn’t expect to burn to death 10 seconds after combat against a 1/14 brand.

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u/HuaRong braindead champs only Dec 04 '21

I feel like DoTs shouldn't refresh item DoTs in order to remove this kind of interaction. Like, Twitch's Dot doesn't, I believe, and it CAN be applied with a skill just like Brand and Lillia. But for some reason Twitch passive isn't spell damage.

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u/BLUELAMBORGHINI64 BUFF CRAB Dec 03 '21

mages are very weak. Karthus needs compensation buffs

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u/DimensionalAnalyst Dec 03 '21

This is a really good example of an important concept in league: if you don't spend your advantage on durability, you don't become more durable. It does not matter if brand is behind; you have no resistances to any of his damage (and he's a champion designed around dealing a lot of damage, rather than cc etc)! It's as if you are facing him down with no items vs his finished liandry's + demonic embrace + sorc shoes. Of course the level difference doesn't matter - you aren't mitigating the effects of his items at all, and TF doesn't get a bunch of magic resist just for leveling up.

This concept is I think kind of foreign to newer mid players because Zhonya's has always given them a lot of durability to AD assassins, so a Qiyana or Yone that's behind will actually deal a lot less damage to you. The people that nodded at this video were probably AD assassin or ADC mains (at least, the ones that did not just lose a game despite being up 6000 gold over their opponents because there was a fed assassin on the enemy team). ADC players are always incredibly squishy regardless of how ahead they are, and have to internalize that to climb. AD assassin players, even when they aren't ahead, have to try to find the fed ADC because, even if that ADC is fed, they are still easier to kill than the malphite that actually bought armor.

That said, literally no one asked for this explanation. Just wanted to acknowledge that this is an extremely good example of a common misconception (that when you get ahead in game, you get ahead in every way, rather than the reality - that you get ahead just in the ways that you spend your gold/your champion is able to).

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u/Spacemn5piff Dec 03 '21

I spent upwards of 80k USD on my vehicle and take it to the drag strip. I am at the starting line against a 40k USD weakling. Pathetic I think to myself, surely this will be an easy win.

The lights flash yellow, yellow, green! I dump the clutch and my motor screams. I see smoke ahead of me - what!? My opponent is far ahead!

Turns out spending 80k on a school bus doesn't mean I beat a 40k mustang in a drag race. Same for league. If your 4 items aren't for 1v1 fights, you don't have an advantage.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

This is why Gold 4 is top 27% of the entire player base. A lot of the players build only damage and complain about the damage, without understanding why they can't climb.

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u/Godskook Dec 03 '21

This is why Gold 4 is top 27% of the entire player base. A lot of the players build only damage and complain about the damage, without understanding why they can't climb.

Gold will always be ~top 27%. That's how an MMR system works. The question is if you'd be in that top 27% or not.

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u/PlasticPresentation1 Dec 03 '21

Not really, AD assassins wouldn't be able to kill TF the same way Brand does here from 1/14 3 levels down. And it's also worth noting Brand's abilities are AOE.

I don't think Brand is broken OP or anything, just a poorly designed champion with an extremely low skill floor

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u/KeeBoley Dec 03 '21

If the TF failed to build any Armor (Zhonya's) and instead opted for MR, then a 1/14 assassin with 2 full damage items WOULD be able to kill the tf with a full spell rotation.

The reason you dont see this often is because, like u/DimensionalAnalyst said, mages have gotten used to building Armor (Zhonya's).

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u/Indurum Dec 03 '21

How much Hp and mr does tf usually build? His ult happened to hit you twice bouncing off of raptors. He’s always been about good base damage + burn. The passive proc restarted the burn. He’s level 12 so he has his second rank of ult.

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u/ArziltheImp Dec 03 '21

Merc Treads. There is a reason this item is build in pro as soon as you have mage support/AP jungler or top + mid laner.

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u/Quazz Dec 03 '21

TF can easily build banshees this game, but didn't.

TF usually goes something like: Everfrost -> Zhonya -> RFC

Then after that, whatever is needed. This game it is banshees, but he likely went lichbane or void or deathcap or something to that tune.

Thus, his death is entirely predictable (could easily zhonyas it too)

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u/Reder_United Dec 03 '21

It isn't that hard to understand that item advantages against full damage champions don't matter when you are a glass cannon.

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u/EgonThyPickle Dec 03 '21

Especially when two of your items are basically pure utility (RFC and Zhonya's) and you don't even use the most useful part of one of them (Zhonya's).

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u/ikkito Dec 03 '21

so are you saying tank items are full damage items? *reference to the guy who posted the leona support oneshot few months ago

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u/Reder_United Dec 03 '21

No, but again, if you don't build resistances or HP anything with decent base damage will kill you.

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u/Shorkan Dec 03 '21

I love how in this threads you always have someone narrating the entire video and mentioning every single item and rune in each champion like if we couldn't see it.

Yes, we know how the game works, and we know that if someone died it's because enough damage was done to them. It doesn't mean it can't be absurd though.

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u/WarriorMadness My flag, defend our brethrens! Luminosité Eternelle! Dec 03 '21

Worst part is they narrate everything while completely missing the point. You have all the Top comments here blaming TF and analyzing all the mistakes he did while totally missing that Brand killed him by landing 2 of his Spells, the targeted ones.

A feeding Brand that killed another Champion without even using his entire kit, if people don't see that as a problem then I understand the horrible damage problem that this game is in right now.

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u/VaporaDark EUW Master ADC Dec 03 '21

If this was posted 5 years ago with the Brand failing to come anywhere near to killing TF, absolutely no one would be arguing "what the hell, this is such bad design, TF should've died here 100%, that's so absurd that he lived".

So the fact that the reverse is posted and there's people unironically trying to make the argument that it's perfectly okay for TF to die here is ridiculous. No one would ever make that argument without it actually happening.

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u/Jaondtet Dec 03 '21

That last clip is so hilarious. You can tell this happened about 50 times already this game based on how cait reacts.

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u/miggly Dec 03 '21

Yea lmao. These are just from a handful of me/my friend's games. This is the gamestate people defend.

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u/SelloutRealBig Dec 03 '21

League is a shell of it's former glory.

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u/VaporaDark EUW Master ADC Dec 03 '21

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u/miggly Dec 03 '21

Wait, you're telling me that auto attacks shouldn't be doing 3229 damage? Pfft.

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u/Shorkan Dec 03 '21

But you see, Caitlyn had Serpent's, Collector, IE and other stuff. She's also level 18 and an ADC is supposed to carry in late game. Irelia also mispositioned and built some bruiser items instead of full armor. And she picked domination second instead of resolve. This is 100% on her and this is completely fine.

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u/lAlquimista Dec 03 '21

Hey at least this Cait is not 1/14

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u/imightneedhelp101 Dec 03 '21

Her own fault for walking into trap vs full lethaloty cait. /s ofcourse.

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u/CruxOfTheIssue Dec 03 '21

The volibear ones are the ones that make upset. The tanks in this game don't really have to sacrifice anything. With normal itemization they are nearly impossible to kill while doing way too much damage. Doesn't make any sense that they don't have to make any sacrifices.

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u/Naymliss No Neeko flair, I saw Neeko by the river Dec 03 '21

It's just insane to me that people are arguing about the Zhonyas. I swear the League community just wants to try to feel better than other players over literally anything. In this case, it's arguing without even understanding what the discussion is about.

Yes, we get that Zhonyas could've saved him. But that's not the discussion, the discussion is about how insane damage is in this game that only 2 targetted spells from someone who isn't fed kills someone now.

Talking to half the League community feels like i'm trying to reason with a brick wall. Actually, I think the vibrations from my voice affects brick more.

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u/miggly Dec 03 '21

This is the best point I've read in the entire thread. Watching people argue about what TF should have done, it dawned on me. I am actually a boomer from the older seasons of League where people didn't 100-0 you without a full combo or being fed. Now people joyfully criticize a TF who died to 2 targetted abilities from a feeding support. Take me back.

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u/PresidentLink Dec 03 '21

I just think 100-0 shouldn't be so common, I feel like 100-0ing should be reserved for people whom are A) fed or B) have a kit exclusively designed around getting 1 person if they land all their shit. Take older Zed for example, when he was more reliant on his ult to kill people.

I want their to be a bit more reliance on whittling someone a bit to the point where you know your successful combo will kill them. Now, you don't really need that knowledge, you just need to hit with some of the combo..

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u/Hinesy41 Dec 03 '21

boomer

Man tell me about it. I started playing pre-S1, probably quit around S7 or S8, stick around for the hot LCS post match threads.

I've always tried to dip my toes in the last few years.... last time I tried, I played Ashe and Akali was 1v1 oneshotting me when the play started with her offscreen. I spent the rest of the game hugging my support but the same result usually came, I was just a meek baby deer and momma deer couldn't help me.

I'm sure there's counter play to that, but fuck it, I have so much experience in this game and I still feel super gated. I know an Akali should absolutely kill an Ashe in a 1v1, but it feels unfair if I don't even see her on my view when the play starts.

I could learn why this happened, "git gud" and all that, or I could focus my time on something that feels less bullshit and just more fun out of the gate.

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u/moasgari Dec 03 '21

Sad that I had to come so low to see this reasonable thread. Guess this is why I haven't played in a few years.

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u/SelloutRealBig Dec 03 '21

Please Riot give us old league. This new one is just full of bullshit. It's not about outplays, it's about picking the champ that 1 shots the best.

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u/dialzza Dec 03 '21

A feeding Brand that killed another Champion without even using his entire kit, if people don't see that as a problem then I understand the horrible damage problem that this game is in right now.

Fr lmao. Like yes if you're so used to modern league then I guess this doesn't seem super weird, but solo killing someone from full used to be... challenging? At least a little bit? Not something you accomplish with literally half your kit unless you're stupid fed or 6 items against someone who built 0 defensive ones?

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u/frafdo11 Dec 03 '21

Damage in this game is nuts rn

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u/RaiseYourDongersOP nerf support Dec 03 '21

"rn"... aka the past 4 years

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u/m071000 Dec 03 '21

That’s literally Brand‘s kit…he sacrifices every other champion strength to have damage. All of his abilities and passive do damage, but in return he has long cast animations, zero mobility, low health, and no sustain.

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u/fuhtuhwuh Dec 03 '21

He has the highest average deaths per champion for a reason :)

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u/ironudder Dec 03 '21

Sorry, that might be my fault....

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u/DementedWarrior_ Dec 03 '21

I thought that would be Karthus

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u/Excalidorito assassin players are entitled, change my mind Dec 03 '21

Or Yasuo..

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u/ProfSteelmeat138 Hail Shurmemea Dec 03 '21

It is Karthus but brand is high on the list too

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u/Ward0g Dec 03 '21

I think a good portion of the excessive damage is not in the champions themselves but in items and runes. At least for me, it is super frustrating when I open death recall and see that an item and a rune dealt considerably more damage than a skill. Dying right now feels either like you got overkilled by 400 damage in a full combo or the enemy missed something important but you still died anyway because of runes and item damage. In this clip, I don't think TF would have died if this was in past seasons.

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u/Indurum Dec 03 '21

That’s not ENTIRELY true because he does have a conditional stun, but I do mostly agree with you.

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u/Jwalla83 Dec 03 '21

Takes longer to cast his stun than the length of the stun

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u/Urpog Dec 03 '21

Yeah Brand's a problematic champion for sure. Play bad, feed your ass off, kit overtuned, get rewarded.

I have never seen a Brand do better than 7/6/13 KDA wise and averagely they go 1/9/6 and still end up oneshotting people, it's a bit disturbing

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u/Excellentation yordle enthusiast? Dec 03 '21

as a brand enthusiast and a former brand mid otp I really wish his kit was tuned so that he could be a viable midlaner again lol, brand support is super boring to play and his kit being balanced around his passive + liandrys doesn't fulfil the super aoe inferno mage he could have :(

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u/mootland Dec 03 '21

This is not a brand problem exclusively, all mages with a full damage kit can do something similar to this, Vel'koz, Syndra & Xerath for example.

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u/Marksm2n Dec 03 '21

Xerath and syndra both require a lot more damage items(gold) than brand and velkoz in order to do damage. This is why brand and vel are generally more common supports.

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u/Garretz Dec 03 '21

Xerath and Syndra are also far safer than Brand.

Xerath has much higher range, Syndra has better self peel and can cast spells while moving.

Brand range is mediocre for a mage and he self roots for 0.25 sec with every single spell. There's a reason why he has one of the highest average deaths per game (8,79).

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u/FinnishScrub Dec 03 '21

Brand kind of is a suicide bomber champion when you think about it.

You poke early and if youre good, you dont die, but in teamfights your only job is to W Q E R into them, Zhonya and die and just watch the enemy team burn alive.

And because many people do not rush Zhonya, that part where Brand Zhonyas in the middle of the enemy team doesnt happen and he dies but it doesnt really matter as he served his purpose and probably oneshotted the enemy team with a Liandry.

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u/Yellofishy Dec 03 '21

Velkoz is a bit less reliant on items yeah, but he's still terrible to play on low income. But I will say that velkoz at least needs to hit 2-3 skillshots, brand just presses e and r and one taps you

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u/BrownRiceBandit Dec 03 '21

Brand dies if you even look at him funny, the champ has no protection whatsoever, his strength is damage.

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u/anonch91 Dec 03 '21

No lol, they can't. This is a brand problem

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u/Aenyr Dec 03 '21

These champions you listed have to actually hit their skillshots to do damage, all Brand has to do is point and click E+R and kill or half health an entire team

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u/BLUELAMBORGHINI64 BUFF CRAB Dec 03 '21

problematic , toxic , unhealthy . fuck these stupid buzzwords

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u/Excalidorito assassin players are entitled, change my mind Dec 03 '21

Based

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u/vmlinux Dec 03 '21

If his kit was overtuned maybe he would have > 49 percent winrate.

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u/Subpar_Decisions Dec 04 '21

So I am learning Turkish because my girl is Turkish and that chat just taught me a few fun phrases

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u/xBushx Dec 03 '21

The difference 1 mr rune makes!

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u/champenbrix Dec 03 '21

Use zhonya nab

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u/willybobbers Dec 03 '21

Seriously

This guy builds full move speed Gold Card cheese TF and doesn’t even Zhonyas then wonders why he is losing duels

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u/Indercarnive Dec 03 '21

Step 1) Build Utility

Step 2) Never use said Utility

Step 3) Die

Step 4) Complain on Reddit

Step 5) Profit

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u/GRIM-REAPAH Dec 03 '21

champs dont deal less dmg just because they have bad kda.

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u/oMw2Fukurmum Dec 03 '21

You deal less dmg when you are 3 levels down

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u/Squidy_The_Druid Dec 03 '21

By about… 160? In this case. At lvl 12 your core abilities are maxed and for brand his passive is his dps.

I always forget how often people just don’t understand mobas lol

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u/paintlegz Dec 03 '21

Having a bad KDA leads to being behind in levels and gold (items) which do directly affect the damage you do.

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u/Ewnt Dec 03 '21

Not if the enemy team doesn't buy defensive items (which tf didn't). Your damage is gonna be the same whether you're 1/12 and 1/0.

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u/LaserSaft Dec 03 '21

Caitlyn keeping her heal for the next game

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u/BLUELAMBORGHINI64 BUFF CRAB Dec 03 '21

TF saving hourglass for late game

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u/Porscheguy11 Dec 03 '21

.....did you die 6 seconds after the fight was over to a slow burn with an hourglass off cd?

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u/Turbodog2014 Dec 03 '21

Every brand main knows its not the QUANTITY of items, but the QUALITY of items. This mans budget edc just trashed your whole kit.

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u/Oreo-and-Fly Dec 03 '21

less than a second

Stands there burning for like 3 seconds

???

Plus, their deaths doesn't matter if you're not building any defense. They are building damage to kill you anyways, and you're not protecting yourself from their damage.

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u/butthurt-fanboy Dec 03 '21

It doesn't matter how less items he has. At two items, he is able to deal ~1600 dmg. You have 4 items, but none of them does anything AGAINST taking dmg, it is only about dealing.

Twisted Fate isn t a dmg dealer. Ur ult has no dmg, and it has macro value. Ur W is technically the identity of the champ, one of the most Op basic abilities in the game Ur E and Q is for laning. Twisted Fate can kill people, but he is a utility champ, who has undoubtadly less dmg (everfrost has less dmg than liandry, RFK doesn't have dmg zhonya and lichbane and everfrost, have the same dmg than liandry+demonic

Brand hit E and Ult and double passive (burn and explosion. This is one ult, and 3 other sources. U hit him with basic abilities only (2 of them)

But in general. Brand is not broken. The champ is shit, he has dmg, cuz he s a kamikaze. He is shit on midlane, a cheese/troll pick in support Yeah, he could be reworked, but definately not nerfed

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u/mbr4life1 Dec 03 '21

Yeah Brand is a 5 damage ability champ with all basic abilities, ult, and passive. Like Ziggs everything in his kit can add damage.

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u/FoleyX90 Dec 03 '21

point OP is trying to make is brand hit 2 abilities, both point & click (3 if you include passive) and not 5

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u/CountMordrek Dec 03 '21

Be 3k ahead of Brand. Buy Zhonyas for the sweet sweet armour when facing 4 AP champs. Don't use Zhonyas passive to save your life. Create post on Reddit to prove a valid point that damage is overtuned while neglecting to ask what you did wrong...

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u/neinoh Dec 03 '21

He may be 1-14 but he still has 2 items plus support item while you have 0 MR. yes you're ahead but you may as well not be when it comes to durability. Ult bounced on you twice and his passive went off. That's a lot of damage. Being 3 levels ahead means your have more hp and brands passive plus the two items he's built deal more damage to higher hp targets.

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u/NahDawgDatAintMe Doublelift Dec 04 '21

TF also has 9 deaths and 120cs at 30 minutes. He isn't fed and he built full utility. Brand is running it, but he built damage items with the 75cs he stole this game. It looks stupid, but the entire game state in this replay is stupid.

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u/Sekkarai Dec 03 '21

You got no Magic Resist, his ult manages to bounce back, he has Liandry's, Demonic Embrace & Sorc shoes probably has enough damage to kill you and is your zhonya up?

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u/E-16 mechanical god Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Looks more like it took 10 seconds to me, also embarrassing how you upload this clip showing zhonyas in your inventory.

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u/Akupoy Dec 03 '21

1-14-7 mage support with 3 levels and 2 items down two shots the midlaner in less than a second while not landing a single skillshot.

Redditors: this is fine because....

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