r/h3h3productions Oct 20 '21 Silver 2 Helpful 1 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Heartwarming 1

Post expressing shock after learning a $40 Teddy Fresh hat is really just a $1 plain logo hat manufacturered in a sweatshop which has been customized with a Teddy Fresh logo is REMOVED without comment from mods. Please explain.

Post image
37 Upvotes

102

u/Helberserkr Oct 20 '21 Hugz

A good rule of thumb:

If a company isn’t hitting you over the head with how ethical and sustainable they are, then they are likely neither ethical or sustainable.

19

u/rosmarinlind Oct 20 '21

Eeeh, green washing is defenitely a thing, so just because what a company tries to tell its customers doesn't mean that it's trum Lots of big brands are claiming, and somewhat actually are more ethical than others but no fast fashion can ever be sustainable if the business structure relies on creating new product. Lots of bug brands have also found loopholes that seems good on paper but isn't really that impressive when looken into. In the case of Teddy Fresh i think most people are either fans or into street wear and while that doesn't exclude an interest for sustainable fashion it's not a dealbreaker or driving force for most customers. Seems like most wants to support an independent and artist focused brands rather than something ethically and sustainable.

15

u/Helberserkr Oct 20 '21

I’m not saying those companies are ethical. I’m saying if a company isn’t even attempting to convince you, bet that they aren’t.

0

u/rosmarinlind Oct 20 '21

Yeah but it also doesn't mean that they aren't. But I get your point

8

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

I didn't know that before it was exposed by the removed post above and I did a bunch of reading into it.

I don't know much about fashion because I'm too depressed to dress fancy and after searching around, it seems that the primary audience of Teddy Fresh is people who also don't know much about fashion and who were primarily exposed to TF via H3H3. That could explain how so many people had the same impression as I did. I even read a comment that said TF was at one point claiming to have been ethically manufactured but has since changed manufactures.

23

u/Helberserkr Oct 20 '21

Go look at a company like Outerknown. I buy clothes from them and they are similarly priced to TF. They have a very clear, dedicated section about their manufacturers and how they comply with fair trade and fair labor standards. Companies like Patagonia and Tentree also do this.

TF makes no mention of it. If a company isn’t transparent, I generally assume they don’t live up to what I consider ethical.

41

u/beeancreates Oct 20 '21

Why is everyone missing the point of this post? OP is pointing out that the tf mods removed the original post from the tf subreddit without reason. The original post didn't violate any of the teddy fresh guidelines. I obviously can't speak on the pricing of their manufacturing but removing posts just because they are negative is not right.

8

u/submergesayten Oct 21 '21

☝️☝️☝️

2

u/BigTipsInTheSky Oct 21 '21

That's true but there's a difference between being negative and posting something that could take money out of their pockets and drive away business because of someone not understanding what they're talking about. If that makes sense.

125

u/FrostedRaps Oct 20 '21

Just admit none of you actually know how manufacturering/marketing works. I can admit I don't know how it works, but if explained by Hila since it is HER company, I would love to hear it on After Dark.

Also, don't claim to be holier-than-thou when you and all of us still use Amazon. Lol

6

u/Objective-Cap-3378 Oct 21 '21

People wanna be upset over anything. If they was running a business. This wouldn’t even been brought up.

3

u/steffininini Oct 21 '21

Well I actually make a big effort in buying sustainable and I am not using Amazon or at least only as a last option.

I just think it is weird, that Ethan complained about fast fashion to Trisha and is getting the same blanks as other fast fashion brands use. I am sad.

1

u/FrostedRaps Oct 21 '21

Hila is a designer and designs all of her work, I don't think they do copy and paste material?

1

u/moosheen Oct 27 '21

She doesnt design all of her work she uses a lot of other artists to design now

5

u/Splendid_Cat Oct 21 '21

I don't.

But I buy my clothes at Walmart because I can't afford TF so I also don't have much high ground either lol.

6

u/Inside_Bathroom_6862 Oct 21 '21

Say it louder for the ppl in the back! Don’t bitch about consumerism and it’s pitfalls if you shop at Walmart, Amazon, target, (literally everywhere). Our entire global world has been forced into overseas manufacturing/shipping. Knock the system not Hila

2

u/KaramelKitten Oct 26 '21

I would love to hear her explain, this isn't the first time I've seen a complaint about this- TF makes 0 mention of being sustainable, or 'green'.

But this is how business works, everything you buy is marked up 200-1000%+

Even so, if im paying (what I consider to be) top dollar for their merch, ideally it would be ethically made.

My last overpriced merch purchase was from Tsuki, Pewdiepie and Marzia's brand, which has a page dedicated to being ethically sourced right here https://tsuki.market/pages/responsibility

-18

u/saliners Oct 20 '21

i don’t use amazon. speak for yourself

23

u/FrostedRaps Oct 20 '21

That's fair, but you probably have a sh%t ton of products that are "Made in China". Including your furniture, vehicles, and electronics. If you're so worried about the working conditions in China, stop purchasing Chinese products.

-26

u/saliners Oct 20 '21

i haven’t purchased any furniture or vehicles, they have all been gifts. when/if i do need to buy furniture (or clothes) i try to buy second hand. but i’ll concede that my iphone isn’t exactly the pinnacle of ethics. i just don’t think it’s a fair argument to say “oh if you’re so worried about this issue then don’t buy those things” bc some of us don’t have a choice. unfortunately it isn’t always financially doable to buy everything ethically made. for example i would like to buy my groceries in bulk to cut down on waste but the closest bulk store is an hour away and i can’t afford to drive an hour every time i need to go to the grocery store. lots of people have similar issues. the problem isn’t consumers who can’t afford to buy everything ethically made, it’s producers who choose to exploit their workers and the environment.

19

u/FrostedRaps Oct 20 '21

The concern from the OP is the ethics of the workers in China, whether you accept gifts or not, you, still are just as myself, the reason that China continues to mass produce products.

You always have a choice. You choose not to.

My point is, I don't see why people are getting so torn about TF having a "Made in China" tag and acting as though they uncovered some deep conspiracy behind Ethan and Hila thinking that they endorse some sort of slave labor because their product says "Made in China".

-8

u/saliners Oct 20 '21

i don’t think people with $1.35 in their bank accounts have much of a “choice”. if someone has to buy the cheapest option because it’s what they can afford, that’s not their fault for not “choosing” to spend money they don’t have on an ethical brand. my point was that it’s not fair to point fingers at consumers who often times literally cannot afford to buy products that are plastic free, fair trade, ethically sourced, etc. that blame should be placed on the companies that produce those products and exploit their workers, who then in turn also can’t afford to buy ethically made products. if everyone was paid ethically for their labor then we would all be able to “choose” ethical brands, bc 1. we could afford it and 2. all brands would be ethical. but i’d love to live in the magical world you seem to live in where everyone can just choose to buy only ethical products and the money for those things i guess just flurries out of their ass.

and i don’t think the problem is so much TF being manufactured in china and moreso people being under the impression that it’s an ethical brand when apparently it’s not.

7

u/FrostedRaps Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

but i’d love to live in the magical world you seem to live in where everyone can just choose to buy only ethical products and the money for those things i guess just flurries out of their ass.

Lol. We live on the same planet and for you to assume that I can spend my money on whatever I want and only purchase ethical things is ridiculous.

I already stated I don't know anything about manufacturing/marketing and how it works, and that I use Amazon. How does that make me ethical and mean I have some sort of unlimited amount of cash. Lol

i don’t think people with $1.35 in their bank accounts have much of a “choice”. if someone has to buy the cheapest option because it’s what they can afford, that’s not their fault for not “choosing” to spend money they don’t have on an ethical brand.

Save more, spend less, stop buying 10$ coffee and fast food, meal prep, blah blah blah... you have a choice... I'm not a financial advisor but most people just waste money on sh%t they don't need and continue to do that for the rest of their life.

my point was that it’s not fair to point fingers at consumers who often times literally cannot afford to buy products that are plastic free, fair trade, ethically sourced, etc. that blame should be placed on the companies that produce those products and exploit their workers, who then in turn also can’t afford to buy ethically made products. if everyone was paid ethically for their labor then we would all be able to “choose” ethical brands, bc 1. we could afford it and 2. all brands would be ethical.

That is a good point, to blame the companies over consumers because they are aware that consumers will purchase due to certain conditions/circumstances they might be in.

Although "hypothetically" consumers have the loudest voice, and if, as a collective we all conformed to making this a resolution, companies would have no choice but to abide to our way of living.

and I don’t think the problem is so much TF being manufactured in china and moreso people being under the impression that it’s an ethical brand when apparently it’s not.

When it's "apparently" not.

So, you have some sort of proof to provide that it's not "ethical" or are you under the impression of because it being made in China automatically means "unethical"?

5

u/saliners Oct 21 '21

stop buying $10 coffees and save? seriously? you sound so out of touch. i’m talking about poverty. these people are already not buying $10 coffees bc they (again) CANT AFFORD TO. they also can’t save bc many live paycheck to paycheck. again, get back in touch with reality. i guess you don’t care bc you seem to think everyone can just “pull themselves up by their bootstraps” but sadly that’s generally not how things work. and i’m glad you agree that we should blame companies over consumers bc that’s literally been my point this whole time.

also, i’m not the one saying that TF is allegedly unethically produced, i said apparently they aren’t bc that’s what the OP seems to imply. i have no idea and im not in charge of that, either way I still can’t afford to buy TF so it’s not even applicable for me.

-1

u/FrostedRaps Oct 21 '21

I guess I only focus on western/American consumerism.

Also, I was raised to "Pull myself up by the bootstraps" because nobody else is gonna take care of me.

Okay, I thought you were saying that from your perspective, not implying it from the OP. My bad.

4

u/saliners Oct 21 '21

Even in America 54% of people live paycheck to paycheck. And 21% struggle to pay their bills. So I’m not sure where you got this idea that people can just “save up” and not spend $10 they already don’t have on coffees. That’s great that you’re independent, but again it’s hard to “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” when you don’t even have bootstraps. Nobody else needs to take care of people struggling with poverty or living paycheck to paycheck, they need to be able to take care of themselves and sadly often they can’t because they aren’t paid a livable wage. I’m not saying we should put everyone on welfare and become a communist state, I’m saying there is an issue with workers (in America and globally) being underpaid and exploited. And because of that, most people don’t have a “choice” when it comes to buying only ethically sourced products bc they can only afford whatever is cheapest. I thought it was implied that if you’re fortunate enough to be able to afford ethically sourced products, you should choose those. Which is why I even replied to you in the first place. I don’t use amazon because it’s easy to find other alternatives online that are often times the same product for about the same price (sometimes cheaper), they just might take longer to ship. It’s not difficult or impossible to stop using amazon, like you implied. In fact it’s hardly even inconvenient.

→ More replies

2

u/iDetectiveDuck Oct 27 '21

Can't believe your comment got disliked so much. I've never used Amazon either and people also don't believe me. The only thing I buy is food and gas for my car.

I see your point tho. Everything on Amazon is made in China. So basically all of america is handing their money over to China, which uses basically slave labor. So the rich in China are getting richer, and of course Jeff Bezos.

2

u/Inside_Bathroom_6862 Oct 21 '21

Don’t throw stones in glass houses, you for sure contribute to the global consumerism because every person does at this point. It doesn’t matter that your stuff was “gifted”, I can probably bet you have shopped at Walmart, target, Amazon, literally any grocery store, etc. Just because he only said Amazon doesn’t mean you arnt also in this cycle.

5

u/saliners Oct 21 '21

i just said i don’t use amazon. and i said it bc it’s not difficult to avoid using, he made it seem like it’s impossible. it wasn’t even supposed to be an insult. also if u read my other comments u should know the point i was making there was that not everyone can afford to shop ethically, not that i live off the grid and have never made a purchase ever. but whatever y’all don’t care anyways.

6

u/zrivkah9 Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

Okay but ethan and hila are always talking ahit about fast fashion!!! This is so hypocritical:((((

3

u/ThillyGooths Oct 21 '21

Teddy Fresh isn’t fast fashion.

5

u/zrivkah9 Oct 21 '21

When you stand on a soap-box preaching about the labor conditions of China and not supporting brands that outsource there, its highly hypocritical to outsource your own product there

5

u/zrivkah9 Oct 21 '21

I'm sitting here wearing my TF sweatshirt wondering if a small hungry child made it

59

u/No-Ordinary-1019 Oct 20 '21

You all have obviously never run a business or taken a business/economics course, the mark up entails more then just the product, the price you pay covers a lot of different things like the labor, fees and taxes. Sometimes you mark up lower costing items to make your higher costing items more affordable. This is basic stuff, not a scam.

40

u/pigpiggles666 Oct 20 '21

Yeah these posts should be removed just for being cringe.

"TF IS MANUFACTURED IN CHINA?? wow its like literally made in a sweatshop with child slaves with bleeding hands"

I don't have the patience nor the crayons to explain manufacturing/sourcing 101 to people talking out of their ass.

This isn't like a shitty influencer brand that just repackages generic Aliexpress. People need to relax.

14

u/innocenttea Oct 20 '21

Then they complain about the price , do they not realize if it was made only in America it would cost maybe even double what it already is?

1

u/WaveEU22 Oct 21 '21

I dont think these guys have ever heard of drop shipping, if they had I don’t think they would be wasting their money on YouTuber merch.

68

u/ConferenceGeneral121 Oct 21 '21

Why is this sub full of such bitches bro

1

u/PoohTrailSnailCooch Oct 21 '21

Just bitches bitching about bitches and another bitch will complain about this bitch bitching about the invetible bitching about bitching. It's almost like we're on reddit or something.

31

u/Crafty-Cauliflower-6 Oct 20 '21

My assumption is they have a team of people in the u. S. Doing designs marketing etc etc. They pay them well. Then they have a hq manufacturer in China. Most of the costs are on the design side and shipping, not on the actual manufacture.

-11

u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

The mark up is still insane and morally unwarranted. They have enough money. They’re practically just reselling the Chinese products. The fans are well aware about the ethical side of the business and left in the dark about everything overseas. It doesn’t matter if other big business do it. They’re misleading a big portion of their fans who think they’re doing everything ethically

8

u/katmauve Oct 21 '21

we literally know their profit margins because it got leaked. it’s like 30%. unethical companies like forever 21 have like a 90% profit margin, so whatever you think you did, you didn’t

-4

u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Unethically sourced

6

u/katmauve Oct 21 '21

but yeah hila shouldn’t make any profit because that’s known as being a sell out, they should barely get by and still live in a shitty apartment in new york and not make any money because some idiot on reddit said that it’s not “eThiCallY sOurCed” that’s why you’re on here bitching while hila runs a whole ass company

-2

u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Uh. Nope. Strawman. Never said or implied that. Good try tho .

3

u/katmauve Oct 21 '21

what because they get products from china? then you shouldn’t be using like 99% of the products you use daily. first of all, it’s impossible to run a profitable business if it’s all done in the us, and it’s also impossible to get the designs and quality they want which isn’t only from china btw. and what does ethically sourced even mean? people in china have laws and are paid, hila doesn’t source from sketchy sweat shops like 99% of the rest of the clothes. y’all get so mad about shit you literally have no idea about

-1

u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

You do know that Hassan and Ethan said that argument is dumb? Because people criticize Hassan for using a phone while being socialist. Yes, I have a smartphone. Yes, I engage in the society I live in. No, I’m not worth millions, and I don’t own a business where I buy from exploited workers in China.

22

u/Crafty-Cauliflower-6 Oct 20 '21

There's no way you can know the markup. You have zero insight into their fixed and variable costs you just maybe know a rough guess of supplier costs. What you are doing is the same as saying you know how much tesla pays per car because you know how much they pay for screws.

14

u/miss_fatsy Oct 20 '21

They aren't bending anyone's arm to buy their stuff, can't afford it? Don't buy it. Don't want to buy it? Then don't. Teddy fresh is more than just b.s YT/influencer merch.

-1

u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

people will defend Teddy fresh until people corner them with how unethical it really is. Then they just shrug and go “don’t buy it then”

Already addressed the whole “just don’t buy it” bs. They advertise their products on the podcast and it’s misleading and they know it. Multiple fans posted about not knowing about how ethical it is. They can’t just shrug and go “well other ppl do it”. That’s not how it works. If they’re doing something wrong people can call them out for it without schlubs like you dick riding. If they’re being unethical. People can say it. If you don’t have a problem with them being unethical. Then don’t reply to the post. If you disagree then argue and come to a conclusion. Common sense.

7

u/Whit-4 Oct 20 '21

I personally know how much money it costs to make the phone you’re probably typing your posts on. I used to work for a customs broker that imported them. You would be shocked to realize your $900 cell phone costs about $30 to make.

1

u/iDetectiveDuck Oct 27 '21

Getting a cell phone made is incredibly hard. Having a company in China make you a tshirt takes about two weeks and is incredibly easy. Not the best comparison.

1

u/Whit-4 Oct 28 '21

We’re comparing the mark up not how hard or easy it is to attain.

-7

u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Oh so as a college student I just shouldn’t own a phone? You can disagree and want change in a society you’re apart of.

9

u/Whit-4 Oct 20 '21

When you’re talking about something that is virtually all manufactured in China and sold here at an “insane and morally unwarranted” price I think it’s a very fair comparison. With your logic you’re implying that a phone is a necessity so therefore the markup is justified but with their clothing being a non essential luxury their mark up isn’t justified. I don’t understand where they have been misleading?

5

u/Deeboh24 Oct 21 '21

This whole argument makes my head hurt just please bring back teddy got crane memes

1

u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

I don’t expect Ethan and hila to be as morally corrupt as Apple or Google. Complete Whataboutism

24

u/Full_Direction_1535 HILA KLEINER Oct 20 '21

I remember Ethan explaining in leftovers, that production in America limits fashion design. Maybe this can tie into that.

27

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

That discussion was what caused people to look into it in the first place. A lot of people including myself were under the impression that the high price was justified either because of the quality or because they took steps to ensure their clothing was manufactured ethically.

4

u/No-Ordinary-1019 Oct 20 '21

Can you give some examples of ethically made clothing brands?

14

u/FriendlyAct898 Oct 20 '21

I have actually been gathering lists of ethically made clothing. Ethical can mean different things to different people. I suggest looking at Mate the Label, Grocery Apparel, Harvest and Mill, Joah Brown. I have more on my list, but I’m lazy. I suggest buying made in The USA. It’s less transportation, and the US has stronger labor and environmental regulations than the countries that make clothes like China, Pakistan, India, etc. More so, these brands make more plain clothing because our garment workers aren’t equipped to do more things. I love LA Apparel, but the founder is problematic.

7

u/HalfLifeII Oct 20 '21

Buying from thrift shops is obviously the best choice. But let's not pretend there isn't 'ethically' made clothing, depending on your perspective, meaning either companies that try to minimize their ecological footprint or ones that are run as co-ops and pay their workers extremely well in addition to giving them ownership, or whatever ethical means to you in most scenarios as companies have run with all sorts of ethical labeling, there are even companies now that hire grandmothers in the south who worked as seamstresses, that guy was on shark tank recently. Those exist. We don't have to pretend they don't to defend Ethan.

15

u/red_suspenders Oct 20 '21

I think the beanies are on the cheaper quality side. But everything else I’ve ever ordered is really dope.

-13

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

The thing is that you could presumably purchase a beanie of the same quality from Aung Crown for $1. You're not putting the money towards quality.

2

u/katmauve Oct 21 '21

trisha literally exposed that they have like a 30% profit margin. if this is even close to factual it’s definitely not the same for the other garments

-16

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

In fact, here is their beanie selection. You can get them customized lmao

https://accaps.com/products/beanies/

6

u/red_suspenders Oct 20 '21

I literally said their beanies are cheap. The hoodies and sweaters and sweats seem good quality to me.

53

u/LoudServe9870 Oct 20 '21

Where’s the proof it was made in a sweatshop tho? I saw your post but it being made in China doesn’t necessarily mean that unless there’s proof I didn’t see

19

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

If the blank hat costs that little, it's not being manufactured ethically.

26

u/Warchiefington Oct 20 '21

It costs so little because China is a manufacturing powerhouse. You could argue all products produced for retail are unethical, but I'm not sure what the point of the original post is other than to say the same thing Ethan explained, that everything is made in China.

10

u/Braintendo Oct 20 '21

That may be so but going from $1 to $40 for a logo is still a hell of a markup

3

u/mr_sheezbag Oct 21 '21

Not sure if you’re familiar with shipping from China. But a container of merchandise currently costs $40,000 to ship. Of course there needs to be markups, but can’t imagine what it costs to do this in the US if people still need to order from China. Might not be possible to do what they’re trying to do in the states currently

2

u/Puzzleheaded-Song242 HILA KLEINER Oct 21 '21

Wow and there is a backup of all those containers so who knows what’s gonna happen we are supposed to Christmas shop now.

15

u/Warchiefington Oct 20 '21

Try to purchase the blank original, it won't be $1.

11

u/LoudServe9870 Oct 20 '21

I always thought it was strange their clothes aren’t reasonably priced

9

u/LoudServe9870 Oct 20 '21

Hopefully Ethan and hila will explain

0

u/Radical_Maple Oct 21 '21

They are bulk wool hats being made by a machine…….

Don’t be a pussy

17

u/ANASTASIAISATSANA Oct 21 '21

Because it’s based out of China doesn’t mean it’s automatically unethical or that the factory producing it is a sweatshop. There are ACTUAL sweatshops with “Made in the USA” slapped on it made in factories here in LOS ANGELES where workers are paid as little as $2.77 AN HOUR (source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/business/fashion-nova-underpaid-workers.amp.html).

The “China sweatshop” narrative is outdated and based in anti-China rhetoric. You can choose not to purchase from China-based factories, but truth be told, in this day and age it’s likely more ethical than purchasing products made in Indonesia or Bangladesh. This is, of course, depending on the area since the exploitation of Chinese Uyghurs is very real in Xinjiang.

Simply choose not to support a company if it is not ethical enough for you. I myself mostly thrift everything from clothing to decor to practical items. I encourage everyone to, including yourself, since it sounds as though you are this concerned about consumer ethics.

All of that being said, TF is a streetwear brand with limited release items. It is not merch and you are not obligated to purchase their beanies if you do not feel comfortable doing so. Supply and demand dictate the market price of items. Simple as that.

-6

u/Nightboogy Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

I NEVER SAID THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS MADE IN A SWEATSHOP BECAUSE IT WAS MANUFACTURED IN CHINA. It's because Aung Crown's hats cost $1. I'm skeptical of all brands and factories across all countries because I'm anti-capitalism. I just want people who mean well to be aware that just because Ethan talks shit about Fashion Nova, that doesn't mean Teddy Fresh is ethically sourced.

As Ethan said, if you're buying a pair of jeans for $12, you know somebody is dying in a factory somewhere making them.

22

u/NagromXela88 Oct 20 '21

When you buy Nike you arent buying it for the quality, you are buying it because its Nike, aka the logo.

Same thing with tf. They are paying the designers/ graphic artist to make new designs for merch, which is not cheap.

-3

u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

A 95% markup still isn’t justified. Don’t kid yourself. You know they’re making more than enough

13

u/stonedandscared Oct 20 '21

Do you undwrstand designer brands and how they work? You think Gucci, or Supreme or any other kinda brand doesn't mark up 95%+

3

u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Whataboutism and strawman. When did I say I thought fucking Gucci was a moral business?

7

u/stonedandscared Oct 20 '21

Never brought up morales you did, tf is a designer brand complaining about it makes 0 sense too me

5

u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

It isn’t morally justified to charge that much for a product they didn’t create, just slapped a logo on. Even if you want to throw morals completely out the window (which would be stupid) At least Gucci makes their own shit.

11

u/stonedandscared Oct 20 '21

Hila is an artist and a designer she can charge whatever she wants for her peices? Dont understand what's the big deal, it's not like this is h3 merch

8

u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

Can =I=should

9

u/stonedandscared Oct 20 '21

I still see no real argument, changing the price doesn't change anything, the hats are still gonna continue being made the way they are, even if they drop the price, why cheapen your brand because a bunch of butthurt people are trying to guilt you into lowering prices with the argument of morales

6

u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

Changing the price doesn’t change anything

You’re lying to yourself at this point. Yes it does change everything. That’s the point. Their fans don’t have an excess of money to spend . 90% of their fanbase is 18-30. When they buy products from h3 they expect it to be ethically made. You’re literally commenting under a post by a fan who was mislead.

→ More replies

-3

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

Sure, Hila can do whatever fucked up shit she wants, I just think people should know what they're purchasing and a lot of people including myself felt mislead.

13

u/stonedandscared Oct 20 '21

When has hila ever mentioned the word ethical when promoting her brand? you projected your own morality on someone else and are butthurt

-3

u/doubles1984 Oct 20 '21

To me in an email back in February.

→ More replies

2

u/doubles1984 Oct 20 '21

OP did. That's why this thread exists.

7

u/NagromXela88 Oct 20 '21

I mean, that's the price they wanna charge for the logo. You don't have to pay that.

It not uncommon for people to buy things hella cheap, spruce them up, and resell for a much higher price. Hila is just doing it on a larger scale, in the case of the $1 hat.

9

u/stonedandscared Oct 20 '21

See you get it, hila wants to be known as a designer in the fashion world, this isn't merch, this is her brand and she can charge what she wants as is an artists right

4

u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

“OTHER PPL DO IT SO ETHAN AND HILA SHOULD!!!” Nice argument lol. Yeah they definitely need money from reselling. Sure dude.

15

u/Konynz Oct 20 '21

You clearly don’t understand how art is valued, your argument is the equivalent of you pulling up the price of a painting next to the price of canvas it was painted on

9

u/red_suspenders Oct 20 '21

Say they sold the beanies for $5 and underpaid their own employees. Would that be more ethical? No. Their employees seem to be paid equitably, if you want cheaper clothes buy somewhere else or tell TF to cut their employees pay. 🤷🏻‍♀️

29

u/FairSail Oct 20 '21

Don’t buy it then. If someone wants to pay $40 for a hat with a TF logo, let them. I can’t believe some people don’t understand how supply and demand works.

Also provide proof it’s made in a sweatshop. You can get ethically made products from China.

15

u/red_suspenders Oct 20 '21

Lol exactly. I don’t get why people drop 5k on an ugly Chanel purse. It’s just a purse, but if people what to spend the money let them. Also, how many of these people are sitting on their phones (made unethically) wearing clothes (imported and possibly made unethically). Unless you grow your own cotton on organic soil that has been ethically purchased at an above market price and weave your own garments there will always be room for criticism.

10

u/Celesteven Oct 20 '21

Forreal. These are the same people that have a closet and drawer full of “made in xx” label clothes. Did they cry when ringing it up at the register? 🙄

-7

u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

people will defend Teddy fresh until people corner them with how unethical it really is. Then they just shrug and go “don’t buy it then”

10

u/FrostedRaps Oct 20 '21

It's not unethical.

22

u/downsouthspittah Oct 20 '21

You just now learning you’re paying for the name when you buy brandname shit? Aww that’s cute.

11

u/welikeanimals Oct 20 '21

Not sure what the issue is?? Do people not understand what goes into an article of clothing?

15

u/MC63TOY Oct 20 '21

Everything is mad in China surprise

0

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

Not the point

11

u/shalomcxc Oct 20 '21

Practically everything you wear is made in a sweatshop tbh. So many more things that you consume daily are made unethically.

7

u/ewgrosshaley Oct 20 '21

Same people mad about mark up are the same people who don’t buy their friends art at full price.

Talk about ethical when $30 logo pays for hilas employees benefits, food and housing

1

u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

That’s the same argument the gamblers whod rip off their fans made when they’d be like “look I’m giving all this money to my mom. See? I’m a good guy”. (To a much lesser extent obviously) you can’t exploit overseas workers then feign morality because you have workers in the USA

3

u/FrostedRaps Oct 20 '21

They aren't exploiting workers.

2

u/Highsenberg2556 Oct 21 '21

Seems like a lot of people here didn't know that TF was manufactured in china and sold overpriced, just like most streetwear brands. Usually a brand will advertise when their products are made locally. Sure the design team is in the US tho. You don't buy TF for the amazing quality, ecological footprint or sustainable economy. You buy TF because you like the style, because limited releases and because you want to support ethan and hila.

4

u/misatotea Oct 20 '21

Yall are so far from reality it hurts

2

u/Eddie_shoes Oct 21 '21

All the woke people in this sub are suddenly turning a blind eye because they are all business owners and masters of manufacturing and importing.

5

u/porkispin Oct 20 '21

individual cost, shipping, customs, upfront capital to buy in bulk/sell in units, storage, design, trademark, physical store rent, website maintenance cost, models, advertising, taxes and fees (credit card and chargebacks), and so much more need to be taken into consideration. It definitely isn’t as simple as $40 - $1 = $39 profit.

4

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

https://accaps.com/product/plain-logo-yellow-corduroy-bucket-hats/ Here is where you can purchase a Teddy Fresh hat without the $39 logo.

20

u/madgedonk HILA KLEINER Oct 20 '21

That hat has 8 lines of stitching around the rim, the teddy fresh version only has five. Took a long time to notice any differences, but it doesn’t seem to be the same hat. I know that seems like a stretch but wouldn’t that suggest that they aren’t manufactured by the same people? Not sure where tf sources their things from but I don’t think it’s this link.

5

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

No, they are definitely manufactured by the same people because the link I provided is to Aung Crown which is listed as one of Teddy Fresh's biggest trading partners.

8

u/madgedonk HILA KLEINER Oct 20 '21

I mean it’s not the same hat though, tf’s eyelets on the sides are open too. This one has closed eyelets. I’m not debating whether or not they’re trade partners, but it would be more convincing if you found the exact hat. If they were just buying them and slapping logos on them there would be no major design changes to the structure like that. I think one could argue if they’ve changed the pattern for the hat then the fabrics and labor could’ve been changed as well, just using that companies preexisting machinery

-1

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

Would you happen to have a link to a picture of the original hat? I can't see it anymore on the original post. Aung Crown offers a pretty large selection of hats and many of their plain bucket hats look pretty similar for way cheaper than teddy fresh.

2

u/madgedonk HILA KLEINER Oct 20 '21

Yep yep I answered the guy who asked about it below this if it works! It’s the blue one of the same make

3

u/Puzzleheaded-Elk-547 Oct 20 '21

Can you link the TF hat I can't seem to find it on the website

2

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

It's not for sale anymore. The original post had pictures of the hat but I can't scroll through the images anymore

2

u/madgedonk HILA KLEINER Oct 20 '21

Just look up tf corduroy bucket hat, there’s still pics up on zumies just out of stock Edit: maybe this will work? the hat in question

8

u/Bigbadwitchh Oct 20 '21

Hm they actually don’t look similar to me other than the fabric and hat type…

2

u/madgedonk HILA KLEINER Oct 20 '21

That’s what I thought, evidently there’s some other versions they sell according to op, so maybe? But definitely not this one- plus there’s only so many ways to make a bucket hat you know

1

u/Necessary_Ad_6016 Oct 21 '21

I'm not getting involved in the rest of the debate but the hats don't look that similar. The yellow one is a lot nicer and looks better in quality tbh.

5

u/False_Locksmith_6254 Oct 20 '21

10

u/beeancreates Oct 20 '21

You can check the archive and see that it was removed by the mods: https://www.reveddit.com/v/TeddyFresh/comments/qagxep/this_sucks_dont_even_look_at_the_price_lol_could/

Removed doesn't not mean the same as deleted as other people have already explained, so the post will still be on Op's profile just not on the tf subreddit. The same thing happened to me there with no explanation.

3

u/False_Locksmith_6254 Oct 20 '21

Interesting. Thanks for explaining - I admit I was wrong.

3

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

Yeah, I was trying to explain to someone else that it was some kind of shadow ban but I'm kinda a boomer when it comes to reddit so I wasn't sure if that was the accurate word to use. Thank you

5

u/beeancreates Oct 20 '21

Sucks to see that everyone is missing the point of your post being that the tf mods removed the original post without reason though.

4

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

It doesn't show up anymore and the author said it was removed

0

u/False_Locksmith_6254 Oct 20 '21

Where did the author say that? If the post was removed it would show as removed. I found the post from the OP's profile.

5

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

Search the comments on that post by New and you can see the author's comment. No matter how you sort the teddy fresh sub, you can't find the post anymore and you can only access it via profiles and history

2

u/Braintendo Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

It seems to be “shadow-removed” if that’s the term. If you search for it in that sub it doesn’t appear, but direct link still works. So basically you need a direct route to it to see it, minimizing how many will see it without tipping off those who commented in it etc that it’s been hidden.

1

u/Financial_Matter_474 Oct 20 '21

Bro u probably made this post off an electronic device that sourced all of its shit from child labor , like chill out and let them explain if needed

2

u/FrostedRaps Oct 20 '21

People think China, then think all their employees are children. Get a f*cking grip.

0

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

You know what? It could be unethically sourced anywhere including the United States. What makes me think that it isn't ethically sourced is the low cost of Aung Crown's products on top of the fact that Teddy Fresh doesn't advertise anywhere that they're committed to ethically sourcing their materials. Ethically sourcing would be a big deal as it's not inconvenient and so if they had, you bet they would have advertised it.

I was under the impression it was ethically sourced since that's what everyone was saying about it on reddit. Also the prices and Ethan's attitude towards Fashion Nova.

2

u/bigbootyjoody7 Oct 21 '21

Either way there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. A business is always for profit. If they wanted to be open and honest about their manufacturing they would.

1

u/False_Locksmith_6254 Oct 20 '21

Glad I won't have to compete with you all for the future drops 👍

1

u/bbl-on-tic Oct 20 '21

This was posted on the TF sub, why complain here?

2

u/mishafresh Oct 20 '21

Do you know what else is made in China? Everything. Shut the fuck up

2

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

It's not about it being manufactured in China lmao. People can pay $39 dollars for a Teddy Fresh patch if they want to, I just want them to know that's what they're paying for.

0

u/mishafresh Oct 20 '21

First of all not every facility in China is a sweatshop, not at all, and obviously the product costs less to produce, $300 pair of headphones cost $10 to produce. And I promise those were made in worse conditions than the factories working with TF. Just because the cost of production is low and the location of production happens to be China it says nothing about the product because those guidelines literally apply to like half the world’s products. The quality isn’t that of a Walmart hat like the post makes it out to be. It’s just very shallow and not thought through, if you can’t afford the hat don’t buy it, do I go commenting on the Gucci thread that their shit hats cost even more for literally no reason. It is what it is and it’s good business. If it wasn’t produced in China then the cost of the hat would be significantly larger.

5

u/Nightboogy Oct 20 '21

I've never said that all facilities in China were sweatshops, just that Teddy Fresh's manufacturers are pumping out 1$ hats which smells sweaty to me. Also Aung Crown is literally listed as one of Teddy Fresh's trading partners and so they are a factory working with Teddy Fresh. Why are you making me false promises?

-1

u/FriendlyAct898 Oct 20 '21

Also Trisha slipped that teddy fresh profits are 30% lol

15

u/ewgrosshaley Oct 20 '21

That’s completely reasonable

12

u/red_suspenders Oct 20 '21

Right lol. It’s not a charity.

1

u/Throwaway170800 Oct 20 '21

https://youtu.be/9GorqroigqM I recommend everyone watch this video and educate yourself a bit. Have a good day!

1

u/kbeezy0903 Oct 21 '21

The original post is not removed. i just saw it on my home page. just an fyi for everyone super concerned about something that no one seems to have done any actual research on. but yeah.

1

u/Nightboogy Oct 21 '21

Apparently a post being removed is distinct from a post being deleted and it's more like a shadow ban so that you can't come across it browsing the teddy fresh sub? Like when you check it from somebody's profile, it doesn't say [deleted] or something. Somebody else explained it better

1

u/zrivkah9 Oct 21 '21

Mods explain this censorship please! We deserve transparency on products we spend our hard-earned minimum wages on

1

u/Objective-Cap-3378 Oct 21 '21

This post doesn’t deserve any awards, and should also be taken down, it’s obvious y’all don’t have a business,

-2

u/Nightboogy Oct 21 '21

I tried to read your comment but it smells too heavily of farts. Please stop farting in the comments

3

u/Objective-Cap-3378 Oct 21 '21

Farts ? That’s the best you have lol 😂

-2

u/Nightboogy Oct 21 '21

Ewwwww stop farting in the comments that's so inconsiderate it smells like corned chicken

1

u/Objective-Cap-3378 Oct 21 '21

💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨✌🏼💜

-2

u/Whit-4 Oct 20 '21

There no way that the tf items are blanks with their logo on them. They are far too custom and not something that anyone could stroll up to a blank company and order. What he was referring to was all these you tubers that sell March ie what Hassan seems to be wanting to do, is usually made from blanks from China. Brands like fruit of the loom, gildan, Bella+canvas are all brands that make blanks and YouTubers and people that have small Etsy shops use those to create their merch. If a person is big enough you’ll be able to have your own tags put onto the blanks so people don’t realize they’re blanks. If that makes any sense. The fact hasan has zero idea how much his profit margin is yet is extremely scary in my opinion. He’s basically been told he can make a shirt for cheap and then just trust everything else will fall into place. I find it highly unlikely as I my self make custom clothing. Either that or the quality will be terrible. Sounds like he may be getting smoke blown up his ass lol

1

u/densillygoose Oct 21 '21

If you don't like it, don't buy it. I have a couple of TF hoodies and I have 0 complaints. The quality is excellent. TF isn't H3 merch, it's a streetwear label. We'd all like ethically sourced products from the USA, but the truth is, is not always possible. Especially when people already whine about the cost.

0

u/Prospero897 Oct 22 '21

Did they legit remove it with no comment??? I assume they’ll address it on after dark or something but damn