r/facepalm Dec 03 '21 Take My Energy 1 Heartwarming 1 Facepalm 2 2020 Veteran 1 Gold 3 All-Seeing Upvote 5 Wholesome 42 'MURICA 2 Doom 1 Table Flip 1 Silver 72 Helpful 55

Man arrested for....doing exactly what he was told 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/rokopoko2 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Bravo! Starry Bravo Grande! Got the W

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u/longshot Dec 03 '21

No longer working for THAT police force.

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u/Shot-Kaleidoscope-40 Dec 03 '21

I had this same thing written out but figured someone had to have pointed it out 2 hours after the original comment. This dude is definitely still a piece of a shit person and likely still wearing a badge and gun. What a fucked system.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 20 '21

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u/VermillionOcean Dec 03 '21

Yeah, but the implication is that the cop will just go work for a police force in a different city, since that's what often happens.

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u/TagMeAJerk Dec 04 '21

This is why he resigned and wasn't fired. Other job offers stand if resigned

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u/gaberax Dec 03 '21 Silver Platinum Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Eureka! 'MURICA

Regarding the officer who pepper sprayed the father, standing on the sidewalk, who was not doing anything unlawful at the moment, and who received no punishment, we get the standard Police Department bullshit response, almost verbatim over and over again, "We've reviewed the footage and determined that our officers on the scene were following department standards." Maybe your department's jackboot standards are inadequate and unlawful?

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u/SeasonsGone Dec 03 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Starry

See, that’s when I think there should be an even bigger uproar. If those are the standards then fire the chief as well!

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u/Aunt_Vagina1 Dec 03 '21 Silver Helpful This

Exaclty. the uproar comes because people think the police officer broke the law, because what he did seemed so obviously wrong on its surface. If you tell us that he DIDN'T break the law, it doesn't make what he did any more Right and now we see we have a bigger problem.

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u/toomuchpressure2pick Dec 03 '21 This

That's when they shoot tear gas at us and when we toss it back they say we assaulted them with deadly weapons. But they are the ones that fired the tear gas to begin with. If they didn't bring it, it wouldn't have been there. But it's a deadly weapon dontcha know.

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u/xTrump_rapes_kidsx Dec 03 '21

It's actually chemical warfare that is a violation of international treaty but we use it on our own people because there's nothing more American than abuse

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u/MurphyWasHere Dec 03 '21

The US has never officially complied to the conventions against chemical warfare. Sure there may be lip service but just look at how often the US has employed chemical weapons since the Vietnam war. I don't think we're catching the trend here, "Rules for thee but not for me" applies all the way up the pyramid.

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u/Adaphion Dec 03 '21

Doesn't the US have some bullshit law or something that states that their citizens literally can't be brought to The Hague for war crimes?

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u/Ripper_00 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

No no, We passed a law stating we will INVADE The Hague if any American it taken to be tried for war crimes.

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u/Adaphion Dec 03 '21

Ah, yes. That's so much better. My mistake

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u/LeakyThoughts Dec 03 '21

Emptying a can of mace Into someone's eyes at point blank, despite them literally being on the ground, pinned by another officer

When they weren't even doing anything wrong.

He was just filming..

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u/TaiKenLe Dec 03 '21

like it doesnt even take much thinking power to realize how excessive this is. how r they so blatant about this abuse

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u/summonsays Dec 03 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy

Gangs that control territory like to send messages that they are in charge and can do whatever they want to you. Police in the US are just a large government sponsored gang.

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u/weswhitman Dec 03 '21

Racketeering and all

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u/kokoren Dec 03 '21

Because nothing will be done about it, there is near 0 accountability for any police actions unless outside parties film and have some form of small miracle with a judge who isn't getting serious kickbacks.

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u/_Grim_Lavamancer Dec 03 '21

how r they so blatant about this abuse

Well they can kill people with impunity, why the fuck would they think twice about mace? They know they're going to get away with it, we know they're going to get away with it.

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u/Good-Ad-7567 Dec 03 '21

Retribution for daring to record them, or perhaps they just enjoy getting the chance to hurt people.

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u/ohbenito Dec 03 '21

this is how you create a violent citizen response. if you come at me like this i know my life is in danger and will act accordingly.
isnt that what they always say before shooting a 9 year old kid with a cell phone in their hand?

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u/LeakyThoughts Dec 03 '21

Yup, that 9 year old deserved it, he didn't listen

And even if he did listen, he still deserved it

Cops in the US are basically just s government payroll hitsquad, absolutely no respect for people like that

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u/OP_MIGHT_BE_A_FAG Dec 03 '21

The mace was used only to get him to shut his mouth and stop talking as well, not to detain. Absolutely disgusting.

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u/mothman_luvr Dec 03 '21

Reading this made me so mad I almost downvoted your comment lol

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u/myrandastarr Dec 03 '21

So this is what my taxes are going to

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u/MattP-14 Dec 03 '21

Furthermore, the sergeant who initiated this stop was later indicted for "official oppression".

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/

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u/wenoc Dec 03 '21

Lol, the cop who used pepper spray used the Nuremberg defense. "I was only following orders".

That shit don't work.

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u/alex3omg Dec 03 '21

So we're all paying for this while the cop who arrested the dad gets no punishment

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u/WhimsicalCalamari Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21 Gold

Every citizen of Keller, TX was charged $5.04 for the privilege of having cops that randomly roll up on citizens and pepper spray them.

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u/neuropat Dec 03 '21

The city only paid a $5k deductible. The rest came from an insurance policy. There are no repercussions for our authoritarian government, other than some momentary embarrassment.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '21

The government will pay higher premiums now, meaning more taxes will be collected or actually valuable (non-police) services will be cut. It’s illegal to cut police budgets in TX.

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u/oakwave Dec 03 '21

Qualified immunity needs to go, so that cops know they’ll be personally liable for acting like thugs—just like everyone else. Or they should take these settlement payments out of the police pension fund. That might encourage the thin blue line to keep each other in line.

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u/Saustino Dec 03 '21

“Won 200k from the city”.

No they won 200k from taxpayer because we have to keep paying out millions everytime these idiot cops have a power trip.

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u/s4921 Dec 03 '21

I always said that the money from all settlements should come from their pensions. I wonder how quick they will be to abuse their power or for their "brothers in blue" to report others' abuse if they will be taking the hit in the teeth every time they pull this shit.

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u/SamirSisaken Dec 03 '21 Silver Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

Who do they think they are rolling windows up and standing on the side walk!? Good thing the cops were there before it got out of hand and they enjoyed the lovely weather!

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u/kukidog Dec 03 '21 Helpful

they were standing there - ominously

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u/ScullysBagel Dec 03 '21 Wholesome

Standing while Latino.

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u/MaineEarthworm Dec 03 '21

Imagine how bad it was before body cams.

Police murder every.single.day.

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u/kingferret53 Dec 03 '21 Silver Helpful This I'll Drink to That

They didn't have the 'white' to stand there.

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u/arcaneresistance Dec 03 '21

I live in Canada and my mom lives in the states. When I was much younger I crossed the boarder to visit with a friend and told him I was nervous. He said "Just be white and polite." That stuck with me still 20 or so years later for some reason and I've still never been questioned at the border despite crossing many hundreds of times now.

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u/densohax Dec 03 '21

Yeah is it freedom o'clock or what??

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u/Practical_Law_7002 Dec 03 '21

Say when...

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u/Rampanttr_th Dec 03 '21

The safe word is police brutality

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u/On_A_Related_Note Dec 03 '21

I could feel my blood pressure rising watching this.

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u/Drunken_Dorf Dec 03 '21 Silver Wholesome

Literally, just want to kick tf out of those two

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u/On_A_Related_Note Dec 03 '21

Yeah. I wonder if those cops just wake up one day and think "yeah, today I'm gonna fuck someone up"

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u/loadedjellyfish Dec 03 '21

Its not just one day, its every day. Every time there's an investigation into officers like this they have dozens of prior complaints.

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u/whitestguyuknow Dec 03 '21

I agree. Cops like this get a genuine kick out of shit like this

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u/Tommysrx Dec 03 '21

If that’s how they act WITH body a cam , Imagine what they’d do if they didn’t have one?

It’s as if they didn’t even think it was wrong to abuse their power

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u/treads4966 Dec 03 '21

Think about what has happened before everyone had a portable camera in their pocket.

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u/Thisguyhere1310 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Actually most bodycam studies have shown they make no difference in how the cop will act.

Which is a good thing, as it shows the bad eggs.

Bodycams made overall complaints go down.. but substantiated complaints stayed about the same.

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u/whitestguyuknow Dec 03 '21

I find it so fucked up that cops can assault and abuse the fuck out of people but you absolutely cannot fight back in self defense. You could watch your own child getting beat the hell up by a human but because that human is in uniform you can't go fight that human and take them off of your kid. It's fucking disgusting.

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u/suchagroovyguy Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

You’re standing on a sidewalk doing nothing wrong and you get attacked, sprayed in the face with chemicals, thrown to the ground and essentially abducted? Maybe we should treat them like we would any other random street thug…

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u/trukkija Dec 03 '21

Yeah those fucking bastards rolling their windows up and standing on the sidewalk, just makes you want to punch them in the throat and pepper spray their faces.

/s in case someone thinks I'm actually siding with these "officers"

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u/Umbrage_Taken Dec 03 '21

Bullies with a badge are the worst, most dangerous bullies of all. Fuck these guys. They should be fired and banned from law enforcement.

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u/Ninjamuppet Dec 03 '21 Ally

Not enough they should be in prison for assault.

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u/Wild-Organization352 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21 Wholesome

You couldn't make this shit up, you honestly wouldn't believe it unless it was on video! The weird thing is that each police officer knows that everything is being captured on film so they must think it's okay right? Or are they all just thick as pig shit?!?

EDIT - I should say I'm over the pond in England, we have our fair share of shit police officers over here but videos like this shock me, I can't get my head round how they get away with it on a daily basis, I want it to be one of those hidden camera shows every time but it never is!

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u/Ibetrayed_makarov Dec 03 '21 Silver

They know it's being filmed but they don't care they have a whole department and many friends in there supporting them

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u/CringyButSafe Dec 03 '21 All-Seeing Upvote LOVE! Snek

It seems that abuse of power is sport to some of them

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u/thejammer75 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

There is absolutely no threat to them from either father or son though. This one is getting to me- that guy should not be a cop.

Would love to be able to follow up on this story and see the outcome

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u/I_creampied_Jesus Dec 03 '21

They sued and won 200k and the older cop is no longer a cop

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u/Impressive-Double867 Dec 03 '21

Source

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u/James-W-Tate Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21 Silver Helpful (Pro)

Link to settlement.

Taxpayers out 200k and one cop got demoted. A big win for justice.

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  1. My mistake, $5,000 was paid by the city, the remaining amount was from their insurance for when cops beat the fuck out of people, because it happens so often apparently we have entire industries dedicated to this service.

  2. "A big win for justice." was sarcasm. Stop messaging me telling me that justice was not done. I'm aware.

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u/excellent_rektangle Dec 03 '21 Helpful Heartwarming

That’s why settlements should come out of police pension funds. Might make them think twice when it’ll affect their pockets, not to mention the pockets of fellow officers. Might help the police to internally police the police?

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u/jlbp337 Dec 03 '21

I wish I got arrested for not blocking a road way, then I wouldent be on the toilet right now sending a “I’m going to be late this morning” email.

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u/wegwerfe73 Dec 03 '21

While posting on reddit.

I can see you, john.

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u/TheAskewOne Dec 03 '21

Yeah he was demoted, not fire, and can reapply for his rank after a year. What a joke.

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u/robotsdev Dec 03 '21

I mean... the guy rolled up the window when he saw the cop! THE HORROR

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u/K9Fondness Dec 03 '21 Silver

You see a rolled up window is like a mirror, and that shows a jerkoff waving a gun around. That's very threatening. /s

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u/turtlelore2 Dec 03 '21

Even if they are found completely guilty at worst they'll get paid leave for a couple months. Maybe even get fired but they could simply move to the next county. They probably won't even have to pay any legal fees or settlements, that's what our taxes are for apparently.

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u/extHonshuWolf Dec 03 '21

Having watched the a video of a police officer tackling an 11 year old and he was given they option of just stepping down most these guys will get is is leave wait to see if it becomes a big thing

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u/__red__5 Dec 03 '21

The stories on here of police having no action taken against them for major incidents tells that that just don't care.

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u/alan-the-all-seeing Dec 03 '21

how likely is the video to cause them any real trouble

daniel shaver was executed on video for complying, that cop served no time, and was even rehired so they could give him a fat pension

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u/ynocfyinco Dec 03 '21

He also gets $2500/month of taxpayer dollars from "PTSD". Shooting Daniel was suuuuper hard, K?

https://reason.com/2019/07/11/this-cop-is-getting-2500-a-month-because-killing-an-unarmed-man-in-a-hotel-hallway-gave-him-ptsd/

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u/alan-the-all-seeing Dec 03 '21

and it’s hardly the only example

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u/jwadamson Dec 03 '21

Someone else posted the https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2021/01/25/man-who-sued-2-keller-officers-after-being-arrested-pepper-sprayed-reaches-200k-settlement-with-city/?outputType=amp

Sounds like:

  • father & son got 200k
  • city paid 5k deductible
  • both officers are still employed
  • one officer was later demoted (may or may not have been directly related to this)

so no real trouble for such flagrant abuse.

edit: one has been indicted, so that's a good step. https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/

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u/iloverubandtugs Dec 03 '21

They don’t care because nothing will happen to them. Awful

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u/BZ111BZ Dec 03 '21 Wholesome

These so called cops are horrible. The father did nothing wrong but was looking from afar as any other parent would. He did not interfere in any way.

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u/epraider Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

Stuff like this is why cops resist body cameras. It takes away their ability to make up completely bullshit reasons to arrest and assault people and get away with it by lying. Hell these guys are wearing cameras and still tried to do this.

Any cop who would oppose a body camera knows they are or are likely to abuse their position. Hell police should be begging for body cameras because it helps clear their name when they didn’t actually do anything wrong, like that shooting in Ohio where bystanders said a girl didn’t have a knife but she was caught on the officer’s body camera trying to stab another girl.

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u/tstngtstngdontfuckme Dec 03 '21

The fucking audacity of that asshole. Not even pretending that he's doing the right thing anymore. Just flexing his power, screwing with people, living his best life.

"Just watch him...."🤨

"Watch me stand here?"

"Better yet: Arrest him."😡

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u/Ninja_Destroyer_ Dec 03 '21 Silver All-Seeing Upvote

And then dumbass follows through with it. He should have been the first line of defense.

  • "Greg, tell me exactly why I need to arrest him, because all I see is a guy standing on the sidewalk."

  • "He's blocking the road!"

  • "Greg, where is he blocking the road? I'm not arresting him."

This is the exchange should have taken place.

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u/tstngtstngdontfuckme Dec 03 '21

The "watch me stand here?" came through so clearly on the mic, that my brain tricked me and I heard "watch him stand there?" and thought it was the second cop that said it the first time I watched the video. Like you said, then he just fucking does it and it makes no sense at all.

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u/Wildercard Dec 03 '21

I actually wonder when American car places start selling cameras that record around the car / from inside the car, and a microphone/speaker combo so you can talk to the cop without having to open your window or door.

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u/ExpansionOfFailure Dec 03 '21

You could do the same thing with an extra dashcam pointing out the driver's window, although as far as evidence against police goes the criminal courts might as well laugh you out of the courtroom with how they love to dismiss henious shit officers do. Still could be useful for a civil suit.

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u/Pirate_Redbeard Dec 03 '21

As a dad, I'd also like to know the fuck is going on if that was my kid. I mean, what, is it illegal to ask what in the fuck is going on?? You're arresting my son, you damn better tell me immediately.

Idk.. i just keep thinking if that were me, it would end the same even worse. Sad.

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u/LifeHasLeft Dec 03 '21

Well according to the cop, you don't have the right to roll up your window. How could you also have the right to stand around?!

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u/str8dwn Dec 03 '21

The cop told the father to park and get out and the dad complied. The cop left out the "and don't stand on the public sidewalk" part is all...

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u/BurchSmith Dec 03 '21

I saw a couple Milwaukee cops fucking with 4 black teenagers. Had them backed into this weird entry way of an old industrial building in Walker’s Point. It was a male and female officer. The male was doing that peacocky power trip shit strutting around and yelling/lecturing/intimidating the kids. The female hung back and was just kind of watching.

This was all shortly after the Dontre Hamilton shooting, so I parked about 150 feet away and started filming. When the female officer saw me after a couple minutes, she alerted the male officer. They looked my way for a long couple seconds, she waved mockingly, they got in their squad car and just left.

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u/JimTheSatisfactory Dec 03 '21

Yup...nothing shady happening here, we'll just be on our way.

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u/Sexy_Squid89 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Yes! Good! Show these assholes that WE ARE WATCHING YOU

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u/WonderfulShelter Dec 03 '21

This is actually huge. If you see cops harassing PoC’s, you don’t have to start filming, but if you’re not in a rush anywhere just hang around for a bit and watch. It could change a life.

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u/KonnoAiko Dec 03 '21

He was filming so he was a threat

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u/Elieltuo Dec 03 '21

"This guy is holding a phone and filming. He must be dangerous."

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u/FlashRippin Dec 03 '21

A threat to their job status

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u/Jazeboy69 Dec 03 '21 Wholesome

Really hard to understand what is happening in the USA. How can people this incompetent get police jobs?

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u/Itsthelongterm Dec 03 '21

It's incompetence plus cops thinking absolutely everyone is a criminal. They don't offer an ounce of sympathy or understanding of situations. You're simply wrong and they'll fuck with you to prove their point.

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u/Gunpla55 Dec 03 '21 Silver

I hate to play the Russian nesting dolls game of diagnosing societal problems, because what you're saying is absolutely correct, but go a layer deeper and it becomes clear that the majorest major problem causing all of this is the war on drugs. Its what magically creates criminal status out of millions of non violent non victimizing people, its what gives the police the right to look at someone completely minding their own business and think they could be doing some thing illegal, its what creates the crime numbers high enough to warrant needing so many on the force so you can't be picky, and obviously since it gets hyper focused in poorer communities (especially of color) its what leads them to racially profile.

The few men who really kicked the war on drugs into gear back in the 60s and 70s really fucked our society all the way up.

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u/CleverFunnyName Dec 03 '21

the war on drugs. Its what magically creates criminal status out of millions of non violent non victimizing people, its what gives the police the right to look at someone completely minding their own business and think they could be doing some thing illegal

And the next layer down is that this isn't a side effect, but rather the reason for the war on drugs.

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u/Dshmidley Dec 03 '21

Decriminalize drugs, get rid of garbage cops who can't do a job. It's only sketchy because its made sketchy by the government.

Ps, fucking pigs.

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u/lajdbejdk Dec 03 '21

Many states have psychological evaluations as part of the hiring process, so it’s definitely known what they’re getting. At this point it’s hard to argue it’s not exactly what they want.

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u/LiberalAspergers Dec 03 '21

Because these are the kind of guys the recruiters and trainers at police departments want, people just like them.

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u/Crackrz Dec 03 '21

tfw maximum iq requirement

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u/FullstopCoding Dec 03 '21

It's funny because I volunteered with a police officer one time. Days before he got his Canadian citizenship. He was a lawyer from Germany who moved here and wanted to become a police officer (second lawyer I know who quit being a lawyer because they hate lawyers).

I know a couple of people trying to get a job as a police officer, and they're looking for people with customer service experience, and they value someone who has a masters degree as well. I really don't understand what America is doing. Granted...we have our problems up here as well, but jesus stuff like the attached doesn't make the nightly news because of how often it happens in the US.

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u/deadosu Dec 03 '21

they want someone who will violently enforce all laws no matter how petty or small, and blindly follow directions to use excessive force so they can roleplay as fascist military groups

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u/chop_pooey Dec 03 '21

What's sad is our actual military uses way stricter rules of engagement, while our cops treat their fellow citizens like the fucking taliban

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u/Calm-Lengthiness-178 Dec 03 '21

This is so fucking disgusting. I felt so awful for the second guy. His shock broke my heart.

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u/M3ttl3r Dec 03 '21

I hope they sued the fuck out of those dudes and those two assclowns got fired.

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u/GregorSamsa67 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21 Gold Helpful Brighten My Day

The family sued and received a $200,000 settlement from the city. One cop was demoted, then resigned and has now been officially indicted. Nothing happened to the junior cop.

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u/Prime157 Dec 03 '21 Gold Platinum All-Seeing Upvote Burning Cash

Just a reminder that's taxpayer money. We can't keep having cops wasting our money like this.

Not to mention I personally don't think 200k is enough to make up for all the dad and son experienced from the fallout of this event.

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u/GoGoPowerGrazers Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Cops should pay for malpractice insurance to fund these lawsuit settlements

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u/1newnotification Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

real talk: i don't think any insurance agency would take a cop on for malpractice insurance, similar to where bull riders can't get health insurance.

edit: to be clear, I'm definitely for cops to have to have personal liability insurance, and i don't know anything about unions, etc. :)

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u/GoGoPowerGrazers Dec 03 '21

Cop unions have deep pockets. They can work something out

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u/Loki_White Dec 03 '21

There's an idea: Make the union fund the insurance.

Then the union themselves would have an incentive to remove bad pigs.

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u/ObliviousAstroturfer Dec 03 '21

That's sort of the point.

This is the sort of task a union handles.

Watch how quickly they stop propping up the worst cops when it's not the citizens paying fines for citizens being violated. When they start to question why one county insurance costs x10 times as much.

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u/andreisimo Dec 03 '21

And the insurance company would establish a set of requirements to mitigate their risk. So more training, more frequent training, more clear standards and probably even better mental health support for LEOs.

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u/Xpress_interest Dec 03 '21 Bravo!

It all sounds great on paper, but we’d have no cops left if abuses of power had consequences, it required regular rigorous training, you needed to demonstrate full knowledge of the laws you’re upholding, and if you weren’t allowed to let your mental instability go untreated! Seriously - if you couldn’t power trip and take out your frustrations on citizens, what would even be the point of being a police officer? Upholding the peace? Protecting your community? Jfc can you imagine the sorts of mentally-stable, civically-engaged and responsible sorts that would go into law enforcement? Preposterous!

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u/vanhalenforever Dec 03 '21

Fucking thank you! Not only are we dealing with injustice, but we're paying for it...

This shit needs to stop

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u/ludivine26 Dec 03 '21

I felt the same 😣

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u/Strong-Solution-7492 Dec 03 '21

Same.

I also thought I was watching some kind of an SNL skit at first. I mean I know I wasn’t but it was just so absurd that it seemed like it was an exaggerated set up kind of video. They should use that video to use as a training tool to say “ OK watch this, this is the way you get fired and ruin your fucking job as a police officer.” I hope both of those guys get fucked up someday by the karma that’s coming to them.

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u/Sebenbillion Dec 03 '21

Worst they’ll get is a paid vacation

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u/Sequince69 Dec 03 '21

The family sued and received a $200,000 settlement from the city. One cop was demoted, then resigned and has now been officially indicted. Nothing happened to the junior cop.

- from a comment below

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '21 Silver

Might as well give badges to teenagers

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u/wobblybarber Dec 03 '21

They do. In like 8 States.

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u/CornelXCVI Dec 03 '21

I'm not sure about this particular spray can but isn't it dangerous to use the spray so close to the face? His eyes could get permanently damaged.

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u/myname_isnot_kyal Dec 03 '21 Silver

like the police would care about appropriate use of force

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u/redditting27 Dec 03 '21

Why are they spraying at all??? He’s cuffed and on the ground. Absolutely insane.

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u/A3H3 Dec 03 '21

The poor cop has probably not sprayed anyone in weeks. He needs his fill.

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u/regoapps Dec 03 '21

His girlfriend left him after accidentally slipping and falling on too many doorknobs, so he didn't have an outlet

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u/1000101110100100 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21 Silver Gold

As a British Police Officer, I watched this thinking 'what the fuck?'

How can rolling a window up be suspicious if he's rolled it straight back down to chat with you? What is the issue with his dad parking 10 metres away and talking, when that talking is nothing dodgy or threatening? Why would the dad need to be arrested for standing 10 metres away filming, and not interfering at all?

And the use of the spray is very concerning here. I don't know whether they use PAVA or CS gas, or some other type, but once you spray for a couple of seconds then it is either effective or it isn't. More spraying will not help. You are meant to spray from about 1.5/2 metres away, but that rarely actually happens and the risk is very low if you spray them close up, for those wondering.

If someone had a knife or is actively fighting, I'll be spraying them as close as I can safely get, and I am unlikely to stop until the threat has stopped or I can see its been effective. There was never really a threat here so it should not have been deployed in the first place, and there is no need to spray him over and over again - though the multiple sprays will not necessarily cause him more pain.

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...

Edit: just to clarify, this is my personal opinion about the actions of these two officers on this occasion in particular. I'm not commenting on American policing as a whole

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u/heyimjason Dec 03 '21

This is what happens when you have no police oversight, don't require a college degree, and have shorter training times than hair stylists.

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u/1000101110100100 Dec 03 '21

In the UK, we don't require degrees and our training times are 20 weeks training, 10 weeks getting tutored on the streets, and 2 years constant assessments.

But we have an Independant Office For Police Conduct, who is totally seperate from every police force and whose job it is to prosecute dodgy officers.

Works pretty well on the whole but there are a couple of over-enthusiastic people who try to prosecute police for every little thing. But I'd rather have it that way than too little oversight

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u/heyimjason Dec 03 '21

That's a lot fewer requirements than a lot of other European countries, but still a lot more than in the US. And if a shitty cop gets fired here, they can just become a cop in the next town over. I'd like assume that with your system, they at least try to weed out people with anger issues and power trips. It's completely fucked in the US.

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u/PhDinDildos_Fedoras Dec 03 '21

I know right. These guys are an embarrassment to the profession.

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u/Basker_wolf Dec 03 '21

Yes and you’re only supposed to spray for a few seconds maximum.

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u/doesntreddit Dec 03 '21

Is this before or after they shoot him once he's cuffed, because he farted and one of these Alpha Males "feared for his life"?

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u/Johnchuk Dec 03 '21

"Youre going to be arrested for blocking the roadway."

Yeah fuck you pig.

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u/dendritedysfunctions Dec 03 '21

These are the moments I wish we had actual recourse against these bullies. You can't even resist unlawful arrest because resist too much and bang bang you die.

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u/HiItsLust Dec 03 '21

Crazy how the kid says he was rolling up the window “for my safety” and the cop was all apoplectic “YOUR SAFETY?”

Yeah motherfucker my safety. Cops always run that “feared for my life” bullshit. God forbid a citizen do it too.

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u/Lizziethephotogrrl Dec 03 '21

Especially since they're the ones carrying all the weapons. Ffs...

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u/MrMontana2020 Dec 03 '21

This is so pathetic, it almost looks like a comedy movie, like a bad parody of small wee wee cops.

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u/HiItsLust Dec 03 '21

wee wee cops

More like dumb brainless oafs. I hate this kind of reactions from cops cause it just pisses me off. Police in America have long diverged from the initial purpose of being a cop. It's supposed to be a devotion of selflessness and an oath to protect others not harm them jeez

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u/High_Ground_Sand Dec 03 '21

Questions why someone is worried for their safety

Proceeds to walk across that street and tackle a guy for filming, then pepper spray him when he's already on the ground

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u/kat_d9152 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

And cop lied. Gentleman 1 was 100% correct when he said it was within his rights to roll the window.

I almost shouted their own infamous line: "Oh, we got a lawyer here" at the cop.

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u/Chewy12 Dec 03 '21 This

That’s the thing. They’re allowed to lie. They don’t really care if what they tell you is true or not. They don’t have a good enough understanding of the law to even know. They just know that if they fuck up it will be no big deal. For them.

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u/penguin_apocalypse Dec 03 '21

we’ve got an issue with people impersonating cops and it’s totally valid for someone to roll up their window if they’re not comfortable and can call 911 to check if it’s legitimate.

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u/BrassJunkie81 Dec 03 '21

Well that seems like grounds for a wrongful arrest lawsuit lol.

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u/xspx Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

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u/svenhoek86 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Oh good so taxpayers had to pay that poor guy 200k and one cop got a demotion.

Justice.

Edit: OK so the city had insurance payed for by the taxpayers instead of the cops themselves. Different but it's still the taxpayers paying the fucking bill when it should be the responsibility of the police to have that insurance.

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u/bar10005 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

one cop got a demotion.

And only for one year:

He could reapply for the sergeant rank after a year.

I'm sure his reapplication will be denied, when second cop, that escalated the situation with the dad, didn't get any punishment.

Edit: Seems like public outrage actually worked, although only partially - according to newer sources first cop, Shimanek, was demoted twice, resigned and is indicted for official oppression, still second officer didn't get any punishment as "he was following orders".

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u/Darth_Bfheidir Dec 03 '21

second officer didn't get any punishment as "he was following orders".

Ah, the Nuremberg defense, a classic

Who were the defendants who invented that again?

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u/atypicallinguist Dec 03 '21

While the Puentes recognize and appreciate that Chief Fortune acted quickly in addressing the serious issues in this case,** it is disappointing that these officers are still employed at the Keller Police Department**

What. The. Fuck.

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u/cruelhumor Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Problem is that would take the family time and money, all because they were minding their business and this small-dick waving cop decided to spend his tax-paid time to throw around the authority WE give him to go on a powertrip.

Civil courts can't be relied upon as a venue for justice.

Edit: im not saying they shouldn't sue, I'm saying they shouldn't have to

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u/Aqueilas Dec 03 '21

Doesn't the kind of lawyer exist, where he will take an obvious case and only get payed once they win?

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u/jcaarow Dec 03 '21

He emptied the bottle of pepper spray. This is just psychopathic

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u/squirrel-bear Dec 03 '21

... and brought it next to face.... not even at a distance.

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u/GamesRevolution Dec 03 '21

Does anyone know what happened to the two after that?

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u/drouth1582 Dec 03 '21

Demoted.... He should be fired and charged with assault.....

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u/Will_From_Southie Dec 03 '21

He was demoted 2 ranks, taken off patrol, resigned, then indicted for “official oppression”.

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u/butcherpeteerryday Dec 03 '21 Take My Energy

Then moved to FLA to be an officer at another dept. Tale as old as time.

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u/GamesRevolution Dec 03 '21

Oh my god, the two police officers didn't even get fired, one was demoted and the other nothing happened

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u/SacredFlatulence Dec 03 '21

They only resign because it looks better—if they stick around long enough to get fired it makes it harder for them to just shuffle off to the next municipality and continue terrorizing everyone they meet.

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u/Will_From_Southie Dec 03 '21

I’d love to see a Spotlight type investigation on this. Same shit the Catholic Church does. Sadistic fucks.

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u/BoxOfDemons Dec 03 '21

I'm guessing the one that had nothing happen was the one who arrived on scene later. The first cop should have been fired, but it's normal for the second cop to not get in trouble. All he did was detain the father because the first cop lied and told him that he committed a crime. It's not the second officers job to magically know if the first cop is lying. That's why the first cop should receive a bigger punishment if anything, because he misled his follow officer into doing something he shouldn't have.

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u/Typo_Tim Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21 Gold Helpful

These cops are so inadequate at their job. How about de-escalating the situation? Let the father be, talk to him, give him a citation, whatever but don't arrest him because your dick is too small and your ego too big. Also don't get all fired up about nothing. You have the power as a cop. Use it wisely, don't assert it all the time.

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u/CuteHoodie Dec 03 '21

It is worst that not de-escalating the situation. De-escalating what ? Nothing was happening, the two men were doing what the cops asked.

They even spray the father again, 5cm from his eyes, while he was lying on the ground doing nothing. Those cops just decided they were bored and create some action

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u/Any_Present_3560 Dec 03 '21

If I was a dictator I would send that cop to a labour camp for 20 years.

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u/MeinFailure1945 Dec 03 '21

At least they'll do some real community service

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u/FunkyM0 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

I think I read somewhere that they only have 6 months of training. (Is this correct?). If so, no wonder they are out of control. Also, "land of the free", lmao

Edit: red -> read

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u/Griz_zy Dec 03 '21

On average, US officers spend around 21 weeks training before they are qualified to go on patrol.

That is far less than in most other developed countries, according to a report by the Institute for Criminal Justice Training Reform (ICJTR).

-https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733

That's an average, so there are states where the training is shorter. Also the link has a nice bar graph on how the USA compares to other countries.

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u/Saif_Horny_And_Mad Dec 03 '21

funny how the nations with the longest training periods for police officers also have the lowest numbers of police killings.

it's almost as if teaching police to communicate and de-escalate situations properly could lead to less overall violence and loss of life. how strange indeed ...

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u/iri42890 Dec 03 '21

In Germany it's 2.5 years of training and that's barely enough.

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u/Aqueilas Dec 03 '21

Fuck me that is disturbing.

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u/luna1108 Dec 03 '21

A window going up, I’m going to say that the PD should’ve know he’s a hothead. This cop has more issues than what is shown for sure.

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u/hear4theDough Dec 03 '21

Bet his wife is careless and is always walking into doors

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u/TbiddySP Dec 03 '21

Escalating the situation is what they did. It is not illegal to roll up your window. You are not obligated to speak to the police. All that you are required to do is provide license, registration and insurance. If that entails handing them this information through a slightly lowered window then that is as far down as the window needs to be. The 2nd part of this interaction with the father is also not legal.

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u/numberforty Dec 03 '21

Fuck these power tripping cops seriously. What the fuck do they think they're doing? What the fuck is wrong with them? Just watching this boils my blood arghhhhh

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u/Chicken-Nuggs Dec 03 '21

disgusting fucking pigs

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u/Sutarmekeg Dec 03 '21

If there are any police officers reading this thread and wondering why people hate police, this is why people hate police.

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u/S1mple_R1cK Dec 03 '21 Bravo Grande!

Cops like that's should be held down and have that spray shot in there face scumbags like

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u/kalloran-castalia Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

These are just simple bullies with uniforms. If the US forced them to do a 1-2 year training program with a big focus on de-escalation, most or all of these losers would wash out of the academy.

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u/CauseImBatman23 Dec 03 '21

This should be prison time for these guys honestly, this is terrible

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u/skankinEd Dec 03 '21

Total c*nts! They should lose their jobs for that.

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u/parking_pataweyo Dec 03 '21

And their freedom for at least a couple of years. Damn this is infuriating.

And stupid, how the hell don't they take two seconds to think about the fact that they're wearing body cams?

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u/BatticusRhoe Dec 03 '21

Why are so many cops stuck in adolescence? Throwing a fucking tantrum because they didn't get their way. These are the humans that are only half evolved. Pisses me off. Cowards!

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u/kaslon Dec 03 '21

Here’s what happened afterwards.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-indicted-over-arrest-that-led-man-who-was-pepper-sprayed-to-sue/%3FoutputType%3Damp

TLDR. The first police officer was demoted then resigned. No consequences for the second cop. The family received a $200,000 settlement. And cop #1 now faces a $4000 fine and a year in jail

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u/DeepCompote Dec 03 '21

You would think the “good cops” would start getting sick of the “few bad apples” and start doing something about it. Any team I was a part of it was always majority rule. Fuck ups were always smart enough to go along. That’s why the “few bad apples” is obviously the opposite. They wouldn’t have the balls to act bad if all the “good cops” called them out on their shit. Majority rule. The bad apples rule. Fuckers.

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u/hersheyuy Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21 Helpful Starry Wholesome Seal of Approval

They got 200k afterwards. Not enough since the officers aren't in jail, but still, it's better than nothing.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/keller-officer-resigns-after-department-pays-200k-to-man-pepper-sprayed-in-viral-video/2538932/

Edit: now that I think about it, I'd gladly get pepper sprayed for 200k lol

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u/Get_ba-ba-boi_ed Dec 03 '21

It’s not just “getting pepper sprayed”, events like this are traumatic.

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u/juicebox_ Dec 03 '21

$200k to never trust cops again, always be in fear when getting pulled over, not want to call 911 even when you might actually need them…..

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u/ih4t3reddit Dec 03 '21 Gold

I do that for free

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u/espression3 Dec 03 '21

I'm sick of cops in America.