r/WhitePeopleTwitter 7d ago

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u/ThePowerOfShadows 7d ago

Tomato tomato (you know the pronunciation I’m referring to).

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u/craigishell 7d ago

On tomato or tomato?

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u/nick_otis 7d ago

Tomato

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u/Mr-Papuca 7d ago

You say tomato tomato,

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u/J0h4n50n 7d ago

At this point I'm not sure if tomato is even a real word anymore.

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u/septicboy 7d ago

What's tomato with you?

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u/CleUrbanist 7d ago

I can’t believe you made me say this in my head

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u/Shadyshade84 7d ago

I can't believe I heard it in a New York accent...

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u/WilliamNilson 7d ago

Let's call the whole thing off

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u/TheManFromFarAway 7d ago

Tōmātō tōmátō

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u/buddhafig 7d ago

Tōmātō tōmätō you mean...

or perhaps /təˈmeɪ.t̬oʊ/ /təˈmɑː.təʊ/

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u/TheManFromFarAway 7d ago

Yes. The second one.

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u/Pr3st0ne 7d ago edited 7d ago

I scrolled through the comments way too far and nobody asked for any proof of this, but I'll give it. Here's a shocker: That's a very simplistic, clickbaitey way to frame the story. The truth is a lot more nuanced and boring. Twitter didn't release some official statement, this is hearsay from internal discussions and an anonymous but verified twitter employee basically theorized that it could be a side effect while answering a question from a colleague(and twitter has come out and said what that employee said isn't truthful). And with the context, it is heavily implied that what they meant was "we built a filter to ban ISIS content and we accidentally banned a lot of legitimate arabic content and we're almost sure we would also ban legitimate political content if we tried to ban white supremacy content because our algorithm wasn't that great, so we dont want to do that."

https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-treat-white-supremacy-like-isis-because-it-would-mean-banning-some-republican-politicians-too

With every sort of content filter, there is a tradeoff, he explained. When a platform aggressively enforces against ISIS content, for instance, it can also flag innocent accounts as well, such as Arabic language broadcasters. Society, in general, accepts the benefit of banning ISIS for inconveniencing some others, he said.

In separate discussions verified by Motherboard, that employee said Twitter hasn’t taken the same aggressive approach to white supremacist content because the collateral accounts that are impacted can, in some instances, be Republican politicians. eThe employee argued that, on a technical level, content from Republican politicians could get swept up by algorithms aggressively removing white supremacist material. Banning politicians wouldn’t be accepted by society as a trade-off for flagging all of the white supremacist propaganda, he argued.There is no indication that this position is an official policy of Twitter, and the company told Motherboard that this “is not [an] accurate characterization of our policies or enforcement—on any level.” .

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u/DjangoBojangles 7d ago edited 7d ago

on a technical level, content from Republican politicians could get swept up by algorithms aggressively removing white supremacist material.

Id bet they probably don't need the word 'aggressively' in there.

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u/Pie_Head 7d ago

Well hang on, that doesn't seem like a much better take than the headline shown though either. I understand it wasn't an official memo from Twitter per that article, but the basic reasoning behind why they aren't implementing a filter similar to their ISIS one is that it would catch up republican politicians which isn't viewed as an acceptable payoff for Twitter. Of course Twitter would disavow that because it makes them look like the greedy asshats they are.

Perhaps it is poorly worded in the article, but to my understanding the employee in question for the second paragraph is still the technical employee from the first paragraph answering the hypothetical proposed to him, and agreeing that yes, an algorithm designed to remove white supremacist content would unavoidably hit republican politicians.

If I have to pick which one is presenting the truth, given prior behavior from these corporations in regards to allowing extremist views so long as they demonstrate reliable movement on their platforms, I'm going to err on the side of them being worried this possibility of catching and banning republicans was great enough of a threat to not implement the same strategy they did with ISIS.

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u/jumpbreak5 7d ago edited 7d ago

It's also really funny to me that they weren't worried about, say, accidentally banning general republican content, which is more reasonable. There is a spectrum of conservatives from relatively moderate all the way to white supremacists, so you're bound to catch people who might not deserve a ban no matter where you draw the lines.

But no, it's politicians. People seeking or holding elected office simply need to clear the very low bar of not even debatably passing as a white supremacist, and twitter does seem to be saying that they are failing that test.

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u/Pr3st0ne 7d ago

The way I understood it, they're basically saying their ISIS filter was pretty basic and it swept pretty fucking wide. AKA it also banned a shit-ton of regular content but they figured it was worth it because they wouldn't get too much backlash, and only from arabic twitter, which isn't that big of a deal for them. They (rightfully, IMO) think that if their algorithm wrongfully banned even a handful of right-wing politicians or influencers, the backlash would be massive, the GOP would ride that victimization sentiment all the way to the 2024 white house, and it would likely launch a bunch of senate committees about GAFA censorship which would complicate their lives down the line tenfold. They aren't saying "yeah republicans are racist as shit", they're saying "yeah, our ISIS algo wasn't that refined and we definitely would wrongfully ban a few right wing politicians talking about immigration by accident, and we don't wanna get into that."

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u/apalebear 7d ago

Banning politicians wouldn’t be accepted by society as a trade-off for flagging all of the white supremacist propaganda

Are you sure?

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u/PenPenGuin 7d ago

Banning politicians wouldn’t be accepted by society as a trade-off for flagging all of the white supremacist propaganda, he argued.

Are we taking a vote? I'd be ok with this "collateral damage".

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u/supaloops 7d ago

I'd be happy to trade politicians for the benefit of sweeping all the white supremacist propaganda.

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u/MettaLettas 7d ago

Banning politicians wouldn’t be accepted by society as a trade-off for flagging all of the white supremacist propaganda

Uh, I'd accept it. They already banned one. If republican politicians are saying nazi shit, yes, please, take them off the platform. It is perfectly acceptable to remove them by everyone who hates nazi shit.

But hey, maybe just start with the Russians. They start divisive trending topics every damn day, and at like 2 a.m.

I can't imagine an easier group to catch.

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u/VoidsInvanity 7d ago

What is the difference between Tucker Carlson saying the immigrants are replacing white people, and white supremacist talking points?

Just curious. He’s the most watched TV personality in the USA, and he regularly talks about that issue. Is that not accurately a white supremacy issue?

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u/Grimvahl 7d ago

The hilarious part is that i absolutely would accept banning politicians if it almost meant banning all white supremacists! Especially since many Republicans are also white supremacists.

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u/sottedlayabout 7d ago

While not all republicans are white supremacists. All white supremacists are republicans.

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u/CMMiller89 7d ago

Extended family got into political talk over the holidays a few years ago, I usually bite my tongue but had a good laugh asking them all why they thought modern neo Nazi and out and proud white supremacists only run under republican tickets.

They don't talk about politics around me much anymore.

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u/Shirlenator 7d ago

I've noticed usually when somebody brings this up, they try to talk about how all of the communists are Democrats...

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u/Cannot_go_back_now 7d ago edited 7d ago

My father always brings up that the Dems were slave owners, and then when I try to explain the southern strategy to him he yells at me because he knows more about it because he was alive then and I wasn't.

Edit: some of these replies also sound like they're confused about what the southern strategy was, and no it did not happen during the civil war, it happened during the civil rights movement of the 1960's:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

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u/pazimpanet 7d ago

Easiest way to get it across is to ask which party is waving confederate flags today.

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u/TavisNamara 7d ago

Here, let me channel the spirit of a delusional republican to reply to you:

"The Democrats started the KKK!"

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u/Cannot_go_back_now 7d ago

Highly accurate

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u/PhantomOfDeezNutz 7d ago

I mean, it’s technically correct. They were called Democrats at the time the KKK was created, they’re just called republicans now.

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u/TavisNamara 7d ago

Yes, that's the point of this entire thread.

The Republicans will ignore 160 years of political shifts and state that the Democrats created the KKK, as if that has any relevance whatsoever. It's the same as them bringing up who the party of Lincoln was, and their denial of the southern strategy and the party shift. It's all ignoring everything past 1865 in order to paint Democrats as the bad guys, when it's always been conservatives and especially those further right than the standard conservative who are the bad guys, and the Republicans are the modern conservatives. The ultra far right, actually. Way past conservative...

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u/Muted_Concept_1058 7d ago

A good litmus test to see if you’re voting for the best person is to see who the KKK endorsed— last election cycle it was Trump. His campaign definitely tried to get away from it but it definitely happened.

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u/OrangeNutLicker 7d ago

Also, the republican party isn't even the same as it was 5 years ago.

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u/Myacctforprivacy 7d ago

No, it is. If you look back during Pres. Obamas term, you'll find a ton of racist hate, and you'll find the Republican party using that racist hate as a calling card to make sure that all the racists were under the (R) tent. You'll also see Mitch McConnell saying the same shit that he's saying now. (Paraphrasing) "I, and the Republican party will not work with the Democrats on any topic at any point, and will make it a point to stop them from achieving any of their goals." Effectively saying that the Republican party is intending on making it so that the government cannot govern unless the republicans get what they want. They're basically children that are taking the toys that they're supposed to share away from their sibling and refusing to play unless they get to break the rules and cheat.

Prior to that, you've got Pres. Bush Jr.'s term where the Republican party hinged on exacerbating the racism against the middle east, to maintain control and strip away peoples rights.

The Republican party has been the party for racists for a very, very long time. Conservatism only cares about the super wealthy, and the super wealthy benefit when the people are fighting amongst themselves and not raging against the people at the top.

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u/TavisNamara 7d ago

It's mostly the same. Just more forward than it used to be.

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u/Comeonjeffrey0193 7d ago

I see your father also rattles off Tucker Carlson’s nightly talking points, then gets angry when you prove him wrong.

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u/Rakifiki 7d ago

Oh god. Have I found my tribe? >_<

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u/GO_RAVENS 7d ago

Fuuuuck, how do you even have that conversation? "No dad, you don't know more because you were alive. You were one of the dumb rubes manipulated into being a boot-licking asshole."

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u/thaaag 7d ago

Yes, just like that.

Also, have an exit strategy.

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u/bubba7557 7d ago

Or ducking strategy. If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a bullet or something like that.

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u/Justicar-terrae 7d ago

I was alive inside my mom's womb, but I can't describe it. I was there for my birth, but I couldn't tell you what anyone else was wearing. I was present for several surgeries, even later in my life, that may as well be complete blanks in my memory.

Being alive doesn't guarantee knowledge of jack shit, and I'm sorry you're father won't budge from that argument.

One trick that might work is to ask "Who knows better how a football play went wrong, the players focused on their jobs in the field or the coach studiously watching the whole thing on video later?" From my own family experience I can say sports metaphors tend to work for reaching stubborn conservatives. And I think it's just because it's an activity they're familiar with (good for analogies), that they don't associate as a "liberal" activity (won't make them immediately defensive), and in fact is usually seen as patriotic (so tends to induce happy conservative feelings, unless one of the players asks for civil rights of course).

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u/runthepoint1 7d ago

So basically only white NFL players then, got it

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u/Justicar-terrae 7d ago

Oh no. They're fine with black or Latino NFL players, but they want the players to shut up about civil rights and equality. They want to turn off their brains when watching sports; so they don't like being reminded of the real world, especially not "liberal propaganda." Nevermind the abundance of conservative imagery all over sports entertainment, those don't count as propaganda to conservatives because they agree with those messages.

They want players that keep their heads down, stand for the pledge, thank Jesus and their teammates for successes, avoid cussing, express gratitude to their city/team, express love for the troops, and be grateful when a Republican president invites them to the Whitehouse for cold "hamberders."

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u/Cannot_go_back_now 7d ago

Lmao don't worry my father is also a football expert, despite being constantly wrong about what our favorite team needs to win each year, watches next to no sports news, no fantasy sports experience, but hey he gave up a scholarship to University of Colorado to play linebacker to have me, because I never hear that story either, lol.

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u/PopRevolutionary9513 7d ago

Ask him which party is defending Confederate statues.

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u/theHeartlessVoid 7d ago

I enjoy bringing up that abolitionists were, to a man, liberal.

Remove the whole political party confusion from the argument.

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u/koe05 7d ago

He was around over 150 years ago!

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u/tommytraddles 7d ago

The Southern Strategy started in about 1963.

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u/CountFapula102 7d ago

My mom also had dementia

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u/FreydisTit 7d ago

I have family that refer to Black people as Democrats... They made fun of me for being a Democrat until Trump was elected. Got real quiet after that.

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u/DecisivelyArbitrary 7d ago

Please tell him my family could not care less which party they claimed 😂

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u/ironmonkey09 7d ago

True, or they’re like members of my family and into Q. Then they have odd-ball responses like “WhY ArE ALl DeMO-rAts LiZaRd PeOPle WhO TrAffIc KiDz! Huh?!!!”

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Lol demo-rats, I like that one. I’ve seen Demoncrats too.

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u/LionBirb 7d ago

Since they think we are Satan worshippers, they may as well call us Demonarchists.

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u/jrobbio 7d ago

They don't have any clue what the true definition of a Communist is. The Democratic party is too far right wing to have that many communist ideals.

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u/FormerLurker3 7d ago

I asked my republican boss what he thought communism was and his answer, with a straight face, was “total government control.”

I asked him what he thought totalitarianism was and he said “communism.”

I asked him what he thought socialism was and he also said “communism.”

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u/jrobbio 7d ago

I guess he would also say that a Dictatorship was Communism too.

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u/FormerLurker3 7d ago

Basically anything short of laissez-faire capitalism is, in his eyes, totalitarian-communist-socialist-dictatorship-fascism.

I asked him in the same conversation if he could define capitalism and he said, again with complete earnestness, “total freedom.”

I wouldn’t even consider him far-right when compared to the rest of the GOP. This is what a garden-variety, “moderate” republican believes.

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u/Pepperfig_clover 7d ago

This is why Obama was called a fascist, Marxist, communist Muslim. None of these conservative dickheads know what any of those words mean

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u/bendefinitely 7d ago

I wish the dem party had more communists so all Americans would have damn voting rights

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u/trumpsiranwar 7d ago

Sure they do!

It's a white person they dont like.

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u/RedMoustache 7d ago

That doesn’t even make sense. Why just white people?

Then what would they call people of other races they don’t…. oh.

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u/jrobbio 7d ago

Shut up, you damn Commie!

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u/iJoshh 7d ago

I finally started asking people what they think that word means when they bring it up.

I haven't got anything resembling a definition a single time.

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u/AmericanFootballFan1 7d ago

True but communists that vote still vote dem. But being a communist isn't inherently bad like being a white supremacist.

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u/TrueProtection 7d ago

Facism is what they really take issue with, but communism is more feared by big business so it's been given a negative spin since the end of ww2.

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u/Qubeye 7d ago

"We can circle around back to that subject in a moment and I'll be happy to discuss it at length, but before we do that, let's focus on the first question. Why are Nazis and Klan members always so supportive of Republicans and when they run for office, it's always as a Republican?"

Make it clear that you are not opposed to talking about what they want to talk about, but also that you can see right through their attempt to divert the conversation. If they continue, say "Why should I talk communism if you refuse to talk to me about white supremacy? It feels like you are dodging the question."

Be calm, but call them out for their attempt to "both sides" the issue.

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u/d4rk_matt3r 7d ago

I appreciate this post. However, any time I've personally tried to help someone logically understand their more right-leaning ideals, it ends up either turning into an argument and I eventually look like the bad guy, or they will just keep deflecting until no one even wants to talk about it anymore.

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u/Qubeye 7d ago

That's kind of the point of the approach. Step 1 is to say "I acknowledge you want to talk about that, and I'm open to it, but first let's talk about the main subject."

Then, if they persist, you point out that they are persisting and being unreasonable.

If you look or feel like the bad guy, don't, and feel free to point that out.

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u/d4rk_matt3r 7d ago

I've said this a million times for different reasons, but I'm going to say it again here. Ronald Reagan really fucked up this country

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u/ssbmhero 7d ago

Yea. People like to point to Nixon as well, and yea fuck Nixon, but he created the EPA…. Like I know he had to because the cities were killing people, but try to imagine a Republican doing that even if our cities were covered in black smoke today.

They would probably just blame democrats and then gaslight about black people.

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u/HambreTheGiant 7d ago

Or how 80 years ago the democrats were the white supremacists

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u/pistpuncher3000 7d ago

Didn't the parties basically switch ideologies at one point like in the 50s?

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u/GrizNectar 7d ago

It was towards the end/aftermath of the Great Depression. So more like the late 20s/30s or so

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u/Blitzking11 7d ago

Economically the switch happened around then, it took a few more decades for the civil policy to swap. Still doesn't change the fact that its irrelevant in current policy, as none of the politicians from that Era are still in power.

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u/BestReadAtWork 7d ago

It's more nuanced than that, and I'm not the best well of knowledge about it, but look up "Southern Strategy." It gives a nice view into how and why it happened.

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u/MrShasshyBear 7d ago

They'll deny it tooth and nail regardless of any historical facts such as the party's goals

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u/FlugonNine 7d ago

I remember seeing a video about a southern historian basically explaining that yes the war was about slavery for the South more than anything and he has to work hard to try to make southerners understand that. Im paraphrasing though so Im gonna go find the video.

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u/Gairloch 7d ago

The civil war was about state rights ...to have slaves.

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u/Calkky 7d ago

This. pArTy Of lInColN.

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u/AmericanFootballFan1 7d ago

My favorite thing about the Lincoln project is that they were trying to brand themselves as the good and reasonable Republicans and they chose a name that just blatantly denies the party switch.

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u/Pepperfig_clover 7d ago

When you have to go back 200 years to find a Republican politician worth claiming, maybe your party just needs to be burner to the ground and restarted from scratch?

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u/SashOfTopatoes 7d ago

Ah yes the classic, don't look at me - look at you tactic. A widely used a very popular way to shift attention away from anything that is unseemly.

Easily countered by saying "We can get to that later, but right now, what is your answer to the asked question?"

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u/DarthRaxius 7d ago

Just ask them to name one Communist US politician. You're bound to get some ridiculous answers.

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u/dukec 7d ago

No, no, you see, Nazis were SOCIALISTS just like Antifa. Also the KKK is all Democrats, and the southern strategy never happened.

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u/Paddy_Tanninger 7d ago

"The Democrats were the party of southern racists!"

Okay cool, I also love old stories. Now let's take a look at which people support which party...because I see every single racist in the country voting straight Republican, while progressives and most non-white folks vote Democrat.

Are 150 million+ people just all mistaken and didn't get the memo that the Democrats are the real bigots?

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u/gimme_dat_good_shit 7d ago

"Modern Democrats are actually the real racists because they want to use reverse-racism to give black folks things, and black folks vote for Democrats because they just give the black folks stuff. But the black folks don't realize that all of that free stuff is just keeping them on the plantation while Democrats use Planned Parenthood to exterminate them through abortion. That's why Republicans are the real non-racists."

(Do I put an /s on this? Is there a /TheyActuallyThinkThis tag?)

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u/akotlya1 7d ago

My dad has parroted this very thoughstream at me in varying forms over the last few decades. Rightwing propaganda is a helluva drug.

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u/AmbushIntheDark 7d ago

Nazis are like cats, if they like you it’s probably because you’re feeding them.

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u/OwMyBalllz 7d ago

Other fun Republican facts:

They are strongest in the former slave owning states(I am sure it’s just a coincidence).

They get less than 10% of the minority vote.

There is a strong correlation between low state rank and Republican leaning. Not sure if states are low ranked states because they are Republican run or of they are Republican because they have a lower quality population. Probably a bit of both.

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u/jetpack_hypersomniac 7d ago

How DARE you make entirely valid points—and in front of Meemaw? So inconsiderate!

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u/goatonastik 7d ago

My conservative family members "talk politics" by blaming absolutely everything on liberals/democrats. They don't actually talk about policy or why this is that way, etc. They talk like the party that isn't theirs is actively trying to destroy America, and how they're trying to bring the country completely towards socialism/communism without even knowing what those terms mean.

Anything having to do with their anti-science views is based on hear-say, facebook posts, and videos they saw online, and they never question the validity of each other's information!

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u/thedkexperience 7d ago

Nah … some are libertarians or independents who just so happen to vote Republican 100% of the time.

🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/tickles_a_fancy 7d ago

I'M Not On EiThER SiDe But iF ThEy dOn'T ArReSt ThAt tRaiToR aNd cHeAtEr aNd pEdoPhIlE BiDeN sOOn, wE aRe StArTiNg tHe nExT CiViL wAr!

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u/thedkexperience 7d ago

Needs more Hunter’s laptop.

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u/peon2 7d ago

I bet the password is *******

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u/cptsears 7d ago

psst, i cracked it, it's 'hunter2' !

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u/genoux_pieds 7d ago

All I see is

psst, i cracked it, it's '*******' !

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u/ladyKfaery 7d ago

They didn’t arrest the original real pedo traitor cheater , why arrest the opposite. ?

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u/seahawkspwn 7d ago

Libertarians are like first cousins with republicans

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u/thedkexperience 7d ago

It’s just Republicans who like weed and might not actually be religious, or even racist.

I’ve found those types to be in it for the greed mostly.

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u/FMAB-EarthBender 7d ago

I had in laws who loved weed, he was a slum lord and a racist jerk. He believed in abortions (by proudly spouting he's funded for over 12 different ones) he loves his guns, he's vaccinated along with my mother in law. He loves Trump. He hates immigration, he doesn't think climate change is real.

He think it's people being lazy on why there are worker shortages. He helped my husband sign up for all the benefits programs saying they're a fantastic source of help at the same time saying he hates them but as long as he gets his rent money one way or another.

Idfk what to classify those self identified Republicans. I'm genuinely embarrassed going around with the MiL. She has a Trump pin, that says I got my vaccine, thanks president Trump. I... I don't get it. Greed is my only guess.

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u/thedkexperience 7d ago

Well I also love weed so we do have some common ground to at least build from. Gotta look on the bright side!

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u/TheBirminghamBear 7d ago

Even more simply, they're the people who are pathologically allergic to "being a part of the herd", despite, in fact, actually being part of the herd.

They're the hipsters of the political ideology world. The ones who claim they were reading Adam Smith before Adam Smith was cool.

But their affiliation with libertarianism is almost entirely down to just not wanting to say they're affiliated to a major political party. They still vote 99% in line with that major political party.

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u/thedkexperience 7d ago

Ha! You had me until the part about conservatives reading books.

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u/randomchap432 7d ago

Excuse me, who do you think still buys those damned Ayn Rand books

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u/thedkexperience 7d ago

People who have wobbly tables?

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u/GonzoRouge 7d ago

If you read Atlas Shrugged as a Sci fi dystopian novel with no philosophical ramifications, it's pretty good.

It's when you realize that she meant it as a good thing that it becomes cringy.

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u/Persona_Incognito 7d ago

Find me just one libertarian who believes he’s a normie who should be thankful to live his life for the benefit of some titan of industry. Everyone of those assholes believes they are John Galt.

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u/SprinklesFancy5074 7d ago

The ones who claim they were reading Adam Smith before Adam Smith was cool.

Oh, you mean this Adam Smith?


“In regards to the price of commodities, the rise of wages operates as simple interest does, the rise of profit operates like compound interest.

Our merchants and masters complain much of the bad effects of high wages in raising the price and lessening the sale of goods. They say nothing concerning the bad effects of high profits. They are silent with regard to the pernicious effects of their own gains. They complain only of those of other people.” ― Adam Smith


“It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.” ― Adam Smith


“People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.” ― Adam Smith


“Wherever there is great property there is great inequality. For one very rich man there must be at least five hundred poor, and the affluence of the few supposes the indigence of the many. The affluence of the rich excites the indignation of the poor, who are often both driven by want, and prompted by envy, to invade his possessions.” ― Adam Smith


“All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” ― Adam Smith


“The interest of [businessmen] is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public ... The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order ... ought never to be adopted, till after having been long and carefully examined ... with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men ... who have generally an interest to deceive and even oppress the public” ― Adam Smith


Today's conservatives would call him a communist.

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u/CowFu 7d ago

I consider myself mostly libertarian and feel like I've been forced to vote democrat for a while now. Drug legalization, abortion, right to vote, getting out of wars, the list goes on.

Sure I don't care for a lot of their spending, but what choice do I really have? If both parties are going to spend, might as well vote for the people who try to give it back to the people in some way or another instead of giving it to a private elite class.

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u/seymour1 7d ago

Democrats spend yes, but they tend to at least have some sort of plan on how to pay for it. If you look at who’s been doing the spending for the past 4 decades it’s all republicans. It’s been a constant cycle of republicans irresponsibly cutting taxes and exploding spending and then democrats cleaning up their mess(Clinton after Bush/Reagan, Obama after Bush, etc). It’s a myth that Democrats spend more.

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u/Qubeye 7d ago

Libertarians are easily the most dishonest group I've seen.

They only vote libertarian if they live in a state that's overwhelmingly red. Utah, for example, had the most third party votes proportionally.

In purple states they vote lockstep with the Republican party. Arizona should be a HUGE libertarian state, but they shut the fuck up and vote R all the fucking time there.

Meanwhile the green party is always fucking things up in swing states. Sure they often get votes in Oregon and California, but they also press hard in the northern Midwest and Florida.

Libertarianism is, as far as I'm concerned, a way for single issue voters who love guns and hate taxes to try and get credit for social issues like abortion while doing absolutely nothing at all to defend those issues.

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u/Major-Ambition-9537 7d ago

If I got to a barbecue and ten percent of the people were wearing KKK uniforms, I would leave.

That’s what it’s like being a Republican, except you stay and vote for some of the KKK because they’re “on your side.”

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u/Severe-Paint-6830 7d ago

I use the same analogy! I tell family, if I joined a club I was interested in, and Nazis were on one side, and Proud boys ( is there a difference?) on the other, I would have to seriously question the message of said club.

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u/JayNotAtAll 7d ago

And the fact that so many are enabling the white supremacist wing makes them just as bad.

If they wanted to save face, all they have to do is condemn it.

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u/shockingnews213 7d ago

I mean if youre supporting policies that are white supremacist, then, intentionally or not, you become a white supremacist. Somebody who voted for the Nazis might have done it for the privatization reason, but it doesn't make them any less nazis.

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u/DanYHKim 7d ago

Dr. Jens Foell

As we say in Germany, if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.

https://mobile.twitter.com/fmri_guy/status/963613417662746624?lang=en

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u/TylerNY315_ 7d ago edited 7d ago

My dad was pretty liberal on most issues, even after being born and raised in Kentucky, and was always very keen to call his friends/family out on conservative bullshit. Loved talking politics and educating himself on issues to form his own conclusions, rather than just following the talking heads, which I had a lot of respect for and try to emulate in my own life. He was also friends with many police officers (after years as a firefighter and 911 operator), a gun owner, military aficionado, history buff, etc

He passed unexpectedly in summer 2019, before shit really started hitting the fan with relations between the police and the public, but I often wonder what he’d have to say about current events. He was never the type you’d see brandishing a “Blue Lives” sticker or anything — so as to say a police apologist and boot licker — but he had truly meaningful connections and friendships with some cops.

I’m kinda just thinking out loud so I’m not sure this all has a point, except maybe that things aren’t always as black and white as “if you don’t think ACAB then you’re a white supremacist”.

Edit: I’m a moron and read “policies” as “police” lol, disregard

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u/bk1285 7d ago

My dad would always get mad at me cause I’d always call the owners of the company he worked for nazis…I mean the company was founded in Bavaria in 1933 so yeah

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u/ColoradoPhotog 7d ago

...Well... Aint that somethin', folks. It's almost like if you act like a nazi you get confused for a nazi.

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u/Labiosdepiedra 7d ago

When you see a nazi talking to a political party of 100,000's. You aren't looking at a nazi talking to a 100,000 people, you're looking at a 100,001 nazis.

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u/The_Love-Tap 7d ago

I that my friends is not a Yahtzee

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u/Bro950 7d ago

"Ooh, that's a Bingo!"

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u/thedudeabides138 7d ago

"Is that how you say it? 'That's a Bingo?""

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u/oorahfirefghter 7d ago

“It’s just bingo.”

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u/thedudeabides138 7d ago

"Bingo! How fun!"

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u/Suspicious-Earth-648 7d ago

But I digress

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u/Lombax_Rexroth 7d ago

Yeah, I just ate too.

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u/sutherndestroyr 7d ago

a group of inglorious bastards as emerged

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u/Altruistic-Text3481 7d ago

Nazi Hunting Algorithm was not on my Bingo Card…

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u/avenue_steppin 7d ago

That’s a numbawang

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u/BenjaminKorr 7d ago

Let's rotate the board!

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u/Nippelritter 7d ago

How is that being “confused for” one? You act like one, you ARE one.

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u/xRaistlin 7d ago

Confused?

Nah, nah, nah. That's like saying we flagged that person for criminal behavior, but turns out he's actually 40 years old.

One does not negate the other, they can just be both.

Plus, in this case the two are practically the same, since all the white supremacists seem to have jumped on board the republican train, while a lot of the republicans are also coming out as racist pieces of shit at the same time.

There's no going back, any republicans that ever joined in the spirit of being a conservative should just start a new political party and condemn this flaming piece of shit.

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u/This-one-goes-2-11 7d ago

There's no going back, any republicans that ever joined in the spirit of being a conservative should just start a new political party and condemn this flaming piece of shit.

Except they just watched 70+ million people vote for him. They watched people willingly give him hundreds of millions of dollars...Commit literal felonies on his behalf....They all want a piece of that.

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u/xRaistlin 7d ago

Oh I'm talking about the voters, not the politicians. Any politicians that haven't jumped ship yet are obviously too far gone.

I'm saying "moral" conservative voters should be looking for a new party. This party doesn't care about conserving anything at this point, except their own privilege

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u/This-one-goes-2-11 7d ago

Oh, my mistake.

Most of these people don't want a new party. They like what the party has become. They can finally (publicly) be themselves.

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u/funwillfunwill 7d ago

Honestly conserving your privilege is the entire point of conservatism. There are conservatives with principles and morals but at the end of the day, at its most basic level, conservatism is the belief that the status quo benefits you and should be maintained.

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u/punchgroin 7d ago

It's inherently myopic to be a conservative. You see people suffering. You see injustice, you see massive systemic corruption... and you have to rationalize the system as it exists. You desperately need an excuse to preserve your imagined world, one that is just, where you earned your privilege.

As the flaws in capitalism and the American system lay themselves more bare, you have to be increasingly unhinged to stay so myopic.

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u/SubaCruzin 7d ago

They chose to ruin their party. Now they can live with the consequences.

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u/OleKosyn 7d ago

Nazis would find Republicans disgustingly collectivist and ripe for long knives' night.

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u/History_City_ 7d ago

Strange thinking for a group walking in literal lockstep...

But as I've been saying all along, FUCK NAZIS.

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u/Kulladar 7d ago

If it quacks like a duck, and it looks like a duck, and it walks like a duck, and it hangs around with ducks, and it has the exact genetic profile of a duck... It must be something else, clearly.

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u/roywoodsir 7d ago

"Im not a nazi, Im a republican, there is s difference, republicans fuels fires, nazi's burn the perps. Huge difference" -Republicans

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u/melpomenestits 7d ago

"I just fix and maintain the gas Chambers. The guy who turns them on has a medical degree, so you see, I can't be responsible for this little slice of genocide."

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u/eggplant_avenger 7d ago

deeply unrealistic portrayal of a Republican deferring to medical authority

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u/melpomenestits 7d ago

Well, it's to command authority, the doctor just has another role, but also: they totally do when it's for racism.

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u/judgeholden72 7d ago

The best part is that the deliberately do things people say Nazis do, like the OK sign at inappropriate times, in their heads to mock anyone that assumes it's a Nazi sign.

Then they get angry when people assume they're Nazis for it. They literally did what people think is a Nazi sign just to make people think they're Nazis. They achieved their goal. Now they're angry at every one else for it.

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u/ruckdiz 7d ago

Almost as if acting like a nazi, makes you a nazi...

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u/ktubeam 7d ago

some conservatives will get as far as admitting they accidentally behaved like a nazi, before adding that they will continue to act the same way because they didn't intend to do that, therefore treating them like a nazi would be like punishing them for something they didn't intend. Therefore punishing nazis makes us the real nazis.

The wording changes constantly, but this template of "I'm not X, you're much more X for treating me this way" has been a conservative boomer staple since at least the 90s. Maybe longer, but you'd need to ask an older person because my memory personally doesn't go any further than about '91.

In the 90s conservatives argued that god was the only real scientist, and that arguing in favor of evolution/big bang/fossil record/etc made you way less scientific than a christian scientist. This was because "god already offered a flawless explanation for mankind's origins", and by "trying to tear it down for no reason" you were actually "showing a very unscientific bias against the only one who would know everything". This is how believing in god made you more scientific than a scientist out there doing their own research, according to 90s conservative boomers, and it was a big part of their push to get genesis taught in schools as scientific fact. In fact if you see the phrase "christian science" floating around, know it is a remnant of boomer bullshit targeting the generation before you

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u/NinjaFATkid 7d ago

So what you're saying is it works perfectly?

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u/justmerriwether 7d ago

Yeah, like… bizarre conclusion to reach that this is a bug rather than realizing that republicans are espousing hate speech on the reg

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u/PerplexityRivet 7d ago

Their real conclusion is that banning MAGA white supremacists from Twitter would be like banning adult content from Tumblr, so they decided not to do it.

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u/justmerriwether 7d ago

Their bread and butter… :/

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u/topsyturvy76 7d ago

Sadly I believe this to be the actual reality of it … can’t ban a big chunk of your users … it’s also why trump desperately wants to get back on that platform

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u/aggressive-cat 7d ago

they know it isn't a bug, it just affects their bottom line to ban half the country from their platform, lmao

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u/booskadoo 7d ago

Seriously.. I see very little downside.

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u/black_anarchy 7d ago

It is an absolutely win!

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u/IZMYNIZ 7d ago

Like, facebook news about how their algorithm and profit model works has been all over the front page of reddit for the last week and twitter still can't get the hint??

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u/Nicegye00 7d ago

Yes, they're saying it works perfectly

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u/boolean_sledgehammer 7d ago

Sounds to me like we just need to update the term "conservative" with a more accurate title.

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u/AyebruhamLincoln 7d ago

I heard that it also can’t distinguish between dogs and canines. Thing’s useless.

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u/Enlightened-Beaver 7d ago

Deploy it. Then publish the results. It should be enlightening

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u/SmashinCetacean 7d ago

Venn diagram is circle

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u/timodreynolds 7d ago

It's a circle within a circle. Both circles are too big.

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u/Fahrenheit231 7d ago

Things that make you go "Hmmmm.."

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u/LowerCanary 7d ago

Freedom of hate speech!

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u/Bluesoutherner 7d ago

No one can.

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u/Mythical_Atlacatl 7d ago

So just let it run and then republicans who get banned can explain why what they said wasn't nazi-esque

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u/BloodBath_X 7d ago

I fail to see how identifying both is a problem?

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u/Commutalk 7d ago

You know. I can see why people equivocate as they do. We honestly gotta address the issue that American fascism is still unique and a problem in and of itself. Even if Mussolini or Hitler never existed. These folks are causing some serious and sinister problems all on their own.

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u/shewholaughslasts 7d ago

And looking at how old this tweet is I honestly wonder what would've happened if they'd even tried to address the issue.

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u/Starship_Coyote 7d ago

They would have fucked with their bottom line because it's the racist hate mongers and their audience that live on Facebook gobbling up this nonsense.

Facebook just living the American dream, unfettered capitalism and fuck whoever it hurts cuz I gots to get mine.

Funny all that money generated and they deliver nothing of actual value.

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u/InKryption07 7d ago

Sounds about accurate.

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u/Marbled_Headcheese 7d ago

Isn't that like trying to tell the difference between an orange and an orange?

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u/chopstyks 7d ago

ill wait

It will indeed be an ill wait.

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u/VoidsInvanity 7d ago

There’s a lot of people here saying “both sides” stuff.

Look, only ONE group has Tucker Carlson using the most watched program in America to sell the idea of the “great replacement”. You can shut up about both sides until you recognize this.

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u/Brasilionaire 7d ago

We’ve known for a while that no platform can deploy anti-nazi or anti-misinformation algorithms because they would be accused of partisanship by conservatives.

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u/Raccoon_Full_of_Cum 7d ago

Said this before and I'll say it again: when future US history students learn about this time period, it will be extremely easy for them to understand.

In 2008, an extremely diverse coalition of Democrats elected the first black president. Then in 2016, an extremely white coalition of Republicans elected a guy whose political brand was built around the racist lie that his predecessor was actually an illegitimate foreign impostor from Africa.

Absolutely nobody from the future is going wonder about the motivations of contemporary Republican voters.

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u/just1nc4s3 7d ago

Wise words from a … Racoon full of cum?!? furiously searches notes

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u/PMmeGayElfPeen 7d ago

I've seen this cum-filled trash-panda post good comments in other threads too

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u/ChalkButter 7d ago edited 7d ago

I hope someone has a source for the article this guy is referencing

Edit: True, but also from 2019

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u/Brisan7 7d ago

I can't help but think of the "it's the same picture" meme

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u/Atgardian 7d ago

Why not just have a disclaimer saying "This content was removed as Nazi hate speech, but it's possible it's simply a mainstream Republican position that is functionally identical to Nazism. We regret the error."

That should appease everyone!