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Oh you want to prove you're allergic to the vaccine? OK, now you're fully vaccinated L

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u/bassgoddesshn Dec 03 '21

I worked in neurology. The state I live in we have to report seizures to the DMV, that automatically suspends your driver license for six months. If that lady pulled that crap on any doctor in the state, she would have been really pissed. Not only would she fully vaccinated, she would not have been able to drive for six months.

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u/Dogzillas_Mom Dec 03 '21

I had a friend who’d had a brain tumor that caused seizures. Even after the tumor was removed, he still had a few seizures here and there until his brain healed a bit.

He had a hell of a time finding a doctor who would sign off on reinstating his license. “Just because it’s been six months, that doesn’t mean you won’t have another one tomorrow. I can’t take that risk and assume responsibility.” He had to doctor shop until it had been nearly a year seizure free and even then I think it was a struggle.

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u/bassgoddesshn Dec 03 '21

Your poor friend. I truly feel for them. That’s why this story upset me so much. This lady flopping around on the floor having a tantrum over being vaccinated, meanwhile people who have no control of their seizures are truly at the mercy of their condition. The amount of people acting like jackasses over a life saving vaccine is mind blowing.

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u/gademmet Dec 03 '21

Tantrum! Thank you. Was wracking my brain for a better word for it than "pseudoseizure", which is honestly way more generous than this horrid woman's sad attempt at gaming the system deserves.

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u/Bad_Innuendo_Guy Dec 03 '21

I had a friend who had the terrible luck of having a seizure every 6 months plus a week or 2. Felt like everything was fine but then nope. He could never get his license back.

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u/fearhs Dec 03 '21

He should just promise to only drive for five months at a time before taking a month long break.

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u/AutoManoPeeing Dec 03 '21

/rant

I had a one-time, stress-induced seizure that completely wrecked my life. Among all the other ways the hospital screwed me, I was told I needed to wait three months to drive again. Wasn't told I'd need a doctor to sign off.

So, three months later I call my State Revenue Office to get my license reinstated. In addition to not informing me about needing a doctor's signature, they also failed to contact the DMV. Well, that's fine; because, now that I had, the DMV knew they needed to pull my license! Oh, and it's not like I got "time served" for those past three months I wasn't driving. My suspension was starting right then... Oh, and it was for six months; not three.

And no doctors would sign off. I had to see a neurologist - who had to order a sleep-deprived, extended EKG... and the tech had to come from out of state... and the government official then said I needed an eye exam. All while COVID was in full swing.

It took me almost a year and a half til I could drive again. Cost me my job (private contractor so nothing I could do) and now I'm declaring bankruptcy. At least when I told them that, the hospital stopped calling.

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u/DEAN112358 Dec 03 '21

That’s the most bullshit reasoning I’ve ever heard. Sorry about your terrible luck, I can’t even imagine

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u/Heykevinlook Dec 03 '21

Similar thing happened to me, just not with a seizure. Luckily my family learned from my example and avoided all the madness.

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u/OK_Gloomer Dec 03 '21

Ironically the Covid I got in September of 2020 left me with myoclonus that lasted nearly a year. Still get clusters of jerks and my startle reflex is very over reactive. The vaccine I sailed through, including the booster. It was the disease itself that gave me up to 200 daily seizure-like body movements. A year of hell.

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u/highinthemountains Dec 03 '21

Interesting. From the descriptions that I have read, I think that I may have myoclonus and it seems like after I had Covid last thanksgiving that I have more jerks. I seem to get the jerks if my mind is in “neutral”, so I have to really be aware of what’s going on when I’m riding my bicycle which is when I really get into the “neutral zone”.

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u/OK_Gloomer Dec 03 '21

Yes! That sounds like it. When my mind is in “neutral” as you put it. If I’m working on a problem on the PC for example, they occur much less frequently. But trying to go to sleep, relaxing watching TV, reading, first thing waking up, chilling is when they are at their worst. My doctor says “try to stay busy all the time”. When I’m trying to go to sleep???

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u/DamnedDoggo Dec 03 '21 Helpful

The mental image of someone getting up from the chair, slowly getting down on the ground and flopping around is hilarious. Must've been even better to see it in person.

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Karen used Splash, but nothing happened

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u/KageRaken Dec 03 '21

That needs to be put in the TLDR; 😆

Just snorted coffee over my keyboard, IT is going to be mad again. ☹️

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u/WendoNZ Dec 03 '21

As someone in IT in NZ, tell them the real reason, they will understand :)

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u/skaarlaw Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21 Silver

u/KageRaken: "I was browsing Reddit on my work computer and found a hilarious article that caused me to spurt coffee over my keyboard, what do, IT lords?"

IT: "Was it the anti-vax Karen in r/MaliciousCompliance?"

u/KageRaken: "Uhhh... how did you know?"

IT: "We use your browsing history to find good the Reddit posts and no, your nose doesn't look too big so stop googling it!!"

Edit: wow that's a lot of updoots, thanks for the silver too! Does this mean I've completed Reddit?

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u/disk5464 Dec 03 '21

We wouldn't even need to check your browsing history, because we are already on Reddit lol.

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u/eviloverlord88 Dec 03 '21

Can confirm, unless you’re my boss in which case cannot confirm

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u/miladyelle Dec 03 '21

Funny tickets are best tickets.

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u/MikeTheAmalgamator Dec 03 '21

I'd love to see a thread of the funniest tickets us IT folks have received.

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u/lopsire Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

r/talesfromtechsupport has some good stuff

Edit: fixed autocorrect (some/done)

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u/javier_aeoa Dec 03 '21

I legit imagined a woman acting as a Magikarp when reading the story hahahaha

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u/cromulent_weasel Dec 03 '21

That was how my 2yo had her first tantrum. She announced 'tantum!', then carefully lay on the ground, then waved her arms and kicked her legs.

It was adorable.

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u/ElephantShoes256 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

My son was just short of 2 when he started to throw himself down, caught himself just before he went down on the jagged rock pathway we were on, looked up at me and reverently said "Whoa" like he always did when he near-missed hurting himself, then walked over to the grass to proceed with his tantrum.

I died.

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u/SSBoe Dec 03 '21

I died.

It's good you made a full recovery.

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u/schroedingersnewcat Dec 03 '21

That is hysterical

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u/LeonardoDeQuirm Dec 03 '21

Is your daughter a Pokemon?

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u/Raaain706 Dec 03 '21

If so, I've got a few follow up questions...

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u/Amphibionomus Dec 03 '21

Ah, the tantum of solace.

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u/Haywoodjablowme1029 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Im a paramedic. I had a 16 year old patient faking a seizure because she was mad at her grandmother. I looked dead at grandma while standing next to the patient while they were doing their fish impression and loudly declared "It's ok, she's faking it."

She immediately sat up and said, "I'm not faking! It's real!"

Her grandmother looked at me and told me to leave and that she would handle it. We quickly grabbed our stuff and left.

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u/Munnin41 Dec 03 '21

She immediately sat up and said, "I'm not faking! It's real!"

Well then that settles it

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u/DelirousDoc Dec 03 '21

It reminds me of playing hide and seek with a small child.

They will “hide” under a blanket not aware that it is obvious they are under the blanket. You jokingly ask “Are you under the blanket?” They usually respond, “No.”

Successfully tricking you in their mind?

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u/junkdumper Dec 03 '21

Haha it's the same thing when they cover their eyes so if they can't see you, well then you can't see them!

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u/inthefall Dec 03 '21

Reminds me of the time we stayed too long at the Fair with my 4yo. Taking the transit back to the parking lot we told him he couldn't have any more candy because it was too late, and he was just tired. He stood up in the middle of the bus and screamed at the top of his lungs "IM NOT TIRED! I'M JUST FINE!" and everyone on the bus laughed.

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u/NotAllOwled Dec 03 '21

Watching obviously worn-out small children freak out about how TOTALLY NOT TIRED they are slays me every time. Meanwhile, as an adult, I keep hoping that people will give me permission to just go to sleep when I am ragged and cranky, but they never do.

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u/solar-powered-Jenny Dec 03 '21 Wholesome hehehehe

You now have permission to catch a nap whenever you need it, boo. 26 minutes is optimal—long enough to recharge, too short to go into REM cycle. kisses you on forehead

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u/lokismom27 Dec 03 '21

My daughter is epileptic and people faking seizures makes me irrationally angry. It is horrible to watch and I can't imagine wanting to put someone through that.

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u/ohheyitslaila Dec 03 '21

I have the kind of seizures where I get confused/hallucinate and then my whole body goes stiff. I fall over like a cartoon character and it’s like every muscle is ultra tense. I don’t really shake or anything. I had my first seizure while I was in class in middle school, and the teacher actually tried to tell my parents that in her opinion I faked the seizure, because I wasn’t flopping around… there’s just no winning with stupid people.

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u/lokismom27 Dec 03 '21

I'm so sorry you have to go through that. My daughter won't come out of them very quickly so it starts to become a problem with her breathing. She now has an emergency med called Nayzilam. It's a spray the she can administer when she feels it coming on. It's given her a lot more freedom.

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u/SquidgeSquadge Dec 03 '21

I luckily didn't get to witness the one like that we had after dental treatment. It was after having treatment with the dentist I usually nurse for in the waiting room she insisted on waiting in cause she felt like she was going to have a seizure (she said she had never had one before) so we kept her under observation. Apparently the dentist, the principal dentist and the manager just stood around her to check on her but had no life threatening / seizure symptoms appart from trying to wobble her limbs. She tried to sue bacause no one cared. Reception did call an ambulance to be 100% safe when she refused to get up (UK). The paramedics said she didn't have a seizure and she insisted they were 'in on the act'. Her husband looked very bored throughout.

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u/Xalon0101 Dec 03 '21

Her husband looked very bored throughout

I feel bad for him. He probably has to deal with that shit all the time.

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u/Nirethak Dec 03 '21

That’s honestly the best response, don’t feed into it

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u/SquidgeSquadge Dec 03 '21

We only called an ambulance because one of the waiting patients was scared and said she wanted to call just in case so we said not to worry we would do it from our work phone

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u/Nirethak Dec 03 '21

I get it, plus here in the US you’d have to do it out of liability concerns

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u/spaniel_rage Dec 03 '21

Pseudoseizures do my head in.

When I was a trainee, I attended a patient's 2nd "seizure" for the evening on an overtime shift, which had dragged me away from someone in ED with neutropenic sepsis.

After putting in a nasopharyngeal airway, I told her loudly I was giving her iv Midazolam to "terminate the seizure". It stopped immediately. But I had given her saline. I told her "that was saline. Please stop wasting our time". We didn't hear a peep from her after that.

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u/BringAllOfYou Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Keeping in mind that pseudoseizures are not the same as the patient knowingly faking a seizure, here's some info for folks that want it.

Symptom difference for epilepsy vs. generalized convulsive nonepileptic seizures (GCNES) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2610232/

:Edit to correct text and remove temptation for (admittedly funny) humor.

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u/ArtoriasBIG Dec 03 '21

So do you spell the acronym, pronounce it phonetically, or read it with a silent P?

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u/Bonersaucey Dec 03 '21

The thing that got me was my patient who had pseudoseizures but with the range of Meryl Streep. He arched his back so hard he pulled muscles, held his breath til he was purple, pissed himself, even apparently bit off part of his tongue once. Severe mental health issues, he was there for originally for sticking things down his penis but his stay got prolonged when he stole a bunch of batteries from medical equipment in the room and ate them

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u/vale_fallacia Dec 03 '21

Why do people think they can trick hospital staff? Nurses, doctors, and orderlies have seen so many people faking things.

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u/MidnightAshley Dec 03 '21

It's amazing to me how many people think seizures are just when people are wildly flopping around on the floor. A few months ago one of the students at my school was having an actual seizure and I had to explain to the people working with the student how to respond because they had no clue what was going on.

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u/TalkativeRedPanda Dec 03 '21

I had a girl in my 10th grade health class have a seizure in front of me. She fell out of her desk chair, convulsed for a few minutes, where the teacher rolled her to her side and had us move the desk away from her. Then she sat up and puked everywhere and ran out of the room. She didn't come back for a few weeks, and never said anything about it.

But I also had a girl in my 4th grade class I student taught who was a horrible daydreamer and just would not pay attention. She just refused to even look at you. The teacher and I felt HORRIBLE when we found out she was having up to 100 absence seizures a day. Once she got on medication, she was such a better student. She wasn't ignoring us or being deliberately obtuse at all. She was seizing.

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u/tinypurplepiggy Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Don't beat yourself up too much. Absence seizures can be hard to spot! My MIL has them and even the doctor thought it was her sugar issues for months because the way she zones out is similar. I did a little more research myself after it started happening while she was walking and she would just freeze in place (foot up in the air and everything). I brought it up to her doctor and after the the additional info, she was referred to a neurologist who confirmed it

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u/spikeymist Dec 03 '21

I have a book called "In rude health" which has all the weird and wonderful things that people turn up to A+E with. One was a light bulb up a butt.

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u/DarknessBBBBB Dec 03 '21

Or probably the colon just had a great idea!

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u/starfire5105 Dec 03 '21

Hell of a post and comment to kick off your cake day

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u/GlitteryCakeHuman Dec 03 '21

Celebrating by buttstuff isn’t that uncommon

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u/chalk_in_boots Dec 03 '21

That's pretty run of the mill for an ED though...

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u/chalk_in_boots Dec 03 '21

Huh, I'm across the pond from you and NSW just doesn't have them. As a frequent flyer at my local ED they would certainly be helpful from some of what ive seen people go in for.

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u/Xabiru66 Dec 03 '21

Karen stops flopping suddenly, looks at the doctor

K-"How long does a seizure last usually"

Dr-"More"

Karen resumes flopping

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u/JeffWingrsDumbGayDad Dec 03 '21

I worked at a rite aid long enough to see some people "fall" in our store and try to sue. On camera they all looked like they were carefully break dancing.

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u/Drawtaru Dec 03 '21

A couple months ago there was a video that circulated the reddits about a woman in a shopping mall who was attempting to assault the person taking the video. She actually did the slow lie-down and pretend to have fainted (not a seizure but still). It was soooooooo fucking cringe. link so said video

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u/Conspir-I-See Dec 03 '21

That woman filing was so calm and collected, legendary. Especially stating that she shouldn't have to walk away, and the karen could leave anytime.

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u/AgreeablePie Dec 03 '21

That's when you go over and raise her hand above her face and let it go.

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u/rweso Dec 03 '21

Karen: see I had a reaction. It gave me a seizure! Dr: but now you’re fully vaccinated. Karen: no I’m not! That wasn’t the vaccine! Dr: then why did you have a seizure?

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u/Firestronaut Dec 03 '21

My daughter got a pencillin allergy challenge in hospital. It was terrifying and it took the doctors a lot to convince me to allow it. The fear of her having a reaction outweighed any positives on the table at that time.

It turns out she wasn't allergic, it was just likely she had a random symptom (full body rash) as she took pencillin for the first time. I just don't believe anybody would jump at an allergy challenge if they genuinely believe there was a reaction.

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u/krokodil23 Dec 03 '21

Not necessarily. Penicillin allergy often fades over time. You could very well have been allergic when you were young but aren't any more.

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u/desertrock62 Dec 03 '21 Silver Gold Helpful

Chaotic Good.

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u/Hohohoju Dec 03 '21

That sticker was a master stroke lmao

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u/I_make_things Dec 03 '21

Coulda just popped it on her back as she left.

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u/GandalfDGreenery Dec 03 '21

While gently patting her on the back, "there, there, you've saved lives and helped end the pandemic."

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u/willflameboy Dec 03 '21

"I won't let anyone make ME do the right thing!"

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u/GandalfDGreenery Dec 03 '21

"That's right dear, you fight the injustice inherent in the system..."

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u/mediocre_at_best1 Dec 03 '21

Help help, I’m being oppressed!

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u/sergybrin Dec 03 '21

Wasn't she fighting the justice inherent in the system?

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u/Stinkerma Dec 03 '21

“Patted” her on her shoulder

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u/Louiscypher93 Dec 03 '21

That would have been perfect

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u/_that_random_dude_ Dec 03 '21

Yeah but I still wonder what kind of “tiny bit of trouble” they got in for that

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u/bmorris0042 Dec 03 '21

If it’s like the “trouble” that I’ve been in like that, or when I have had to verbally discipline people for things like that, it probably went something like: “as amusing as it was, I am required to inform you that you’re not allowed to do that again, and if you’re caught, I’ll have to take further steps.” And then off to the side, “but that was funny as fuck!”

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u/Jjzeng Dec 03 '21

A good laugh with their boss and a warning not to do it again

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u/merinis Dec 03 '21

"Hahah that's hilarious, good stuff! Do it again and I'll fire you."

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u/SLevine262 Dec 03 '21

The very sternest finger wag and a phone call to Santa to tell him they were naughty.

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u/grumblyoldman Dec 03 '21

Santa wrote him an exemption from the naughty list for this one though.

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u/Westhamwayintherva Dec 03 '21

He got chewed out. He’s been chewed out before.

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u/politepain Dec 03 '21

No, not a master stroke, a pseudoseizure.

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u/sth128 Dec 03 '21

The sticker is like half the reason I got vaccinated. I love stickers. I was disappointed when I didn't get a sticker on the first dose. Got one on the second though!

Now waiting for booster sticker next year cause antivaxxers decided to breed the omicron.

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u/mtled Dec 03 '21

They don't give stickers where I live. I feel robbed of the complete vaccination experience.

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u/sth128 Dec 03 '21

It's okay just pretend the bandaid is the sticker. Got the flu shot at Costco the other day, it had Costco logo on it LOL

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u/michaelh98 Dec 03 '21

Me too! Got boosted yesterday and just got a damn bandaid over the site!

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u/Awkward-Associates Dec 03 '21

Happy Cake Day!

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u/MaraTirone1 Dec 03 '21

Lawful Good given you followed all legal procedures in a manner to get what was needed done, done.

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u/Grasmel Dec 03 '21

How is this in any way chaotic? There was a strict following of procedure and rules. There is nothing more Lawful than that.

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u/mechanical_fan Dec 03 '21

This was totally lawful good. People have a hard time understanding that lawful good is not the same as lawful stupid.

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u/zhaoz Dec 03 '21

This whole sub is lawful something. That's what compliance is (usually)

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u/ArtoriasBIG Dec 03 '21

Quite literally lawful good.

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u/71NK3RB3LL Dec 03 '21

Lawful chaotic!

Followed the letter of the law and caused chaos

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u/Redd_October Dec 03 '21

They idea of someone being angry that they can't claim to be unvaccinated hurts my brain. Not angry that they are vaccinated and feel they're in danger, not angry that they didn't get an exemption card, but angry that they can no longer truthfully fell people they aren't vaccinated.

They really, really just want to be the victims of their own narrative don't they.

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u/Before-reddit-I-read Dec 03 '21

This makes my blood boil. I’m fully vaccinated but for the last 6 months we’ve been trying to get my boyfriend vaccinated and nobody will bloody touch him. Now he’s not allowed to do things he had planned because other countries are making vaccines mandatory (which is fair enough) and he’s falling between the gaps because of people like this who just refuse to get the vaccine.

My bf has had myocarditis twice in his life and none of the vaccine centres will touch him. His GP reccomend a he gets the vaccine so won’t help with him an exemption. The vaccine centres refuse to jab him because they’re concerned of side affects. And he not eligible for AZ because we’re under 30.

Hopefully it will be sorted out but reading your post just enraged me because we’re desperate to get his (mainly to protect his health but now so he can access things everyone else can) and now because countries and events are rolling out vaccine mandates because grown ass people just can’t behave. They’ll all quietly go get their vaccine to continue living their life and my bf and others who genuinely wants it is just stuck in the middle.

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u/Before-reddit-I-read Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

You can’t just switch your GP for one event can you? Also getting one who will see him in person has been hard enough - let alone vaccinating him.

We’re pushing for a doctors note to declare him fit for the vaccine. Or hopefully a referral to the hospital who have a weekly vaccine drop in. But we just have to keep pushing as nobody wants to be the one who jabs him.

But thanks for your advice. It’s just stressing us out so much to see that people who are willingly refusing it are causing issues for people who can’t have it.

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u/JBloodthorn Dec 03 '21

I didn't have insurance until my 30's, and the concept of having a GP still confuses the heck out of me.

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u/damagedthrowaway87 Dec 03 '21

I'm 34 and apparently I do have a GP....but I've never seen them for me, just for my kids. I'm so used to only going to a doctor if I'm extremely ill that the concept of a check up confuses me. That said due to the cancer risks in my family I do need to start.

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u/hypo-osmotic Dec 03 '21

I went a good nine years without seeing a medical professional between high school and adulthood, and the first appointment after the gap was "just" a physical. I was met with...I don't know if it was annoyance or confusion, from the nurse who questioned me both on why I didn't see a doctor for so long and why I was coming in now if nothing was wrong with me. Felt like I was meant to have gotten sick more often so that I could come in regularly but also with good reason

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u/Moonpenny Dec 03 '21

I skipped a while not being able to afford either regular screenings (though I know now that planned parenthood does some of the stuff I skipped... whoops) or emergency/urgent care.

My new GP was unhappy when she found out the sheer amount of things I "home remedied" with stuff that should've killed me.

(Apparently releasing the pressure on a dental abscess by puncturing it with a sewing needle heated on the stove is not suggested practice... who knew?)

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u/farnz Dec 03 '21

Keep pushing for the hospital referral - at least round here (Oxford, UK, walking distance to the JR hospital), they're very happy to invite people with past health issues to get vaccinated at the hospital site.

Best of luck getting him jabbed!

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u/Before-reddit-I-read Dec 03 '21

This is one of our options we’re pushing atm. It’s so stressful, every month we think we’re on track for the revolution and every month it gets pushed back. He just lost his mum unexpectedly (very short battle with late diagnosed cancer). So he’s really losing the motivation to fight. He’s almost at the point we’re he’s going to give up and just accept that he’s fallen between the cracks. My heart really hurts for him and I also really worry about his health with all the new variants.

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u/Tazhielyn Dec 03 '21

A GP isn't like a boyfriend. You aren't cheating if you seek a second opinion. In fact, it would be a good idea to do any time you have a concern that isn't being addressed to your satisfaction. My GP that I've had for 15 years flat out tells people who else they could see in their network if they'd like to keep their bills at a minimum but still want to check to make sure. All people are fallible & that includes doctors. Good doctors are well aware of that fact.

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u/clockworkedpiece Dec 03 '21

If your gp isn't understanding why another medical professional invested in getting the vaccine out to as many people as possible, wont do it. You might need another gp.

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u/noselike Dec 03 '21

I don't know how it works in your area, but here I could just make an appointment for a consultation with a random GP from the phone book.

The only difference between the random GP and "my" GP is that I go to "my" GP by default / regularly. It's not some formal relationship that I'd need to change or anything. In this situation it might even make sense to tell the other GP up front why you're coming to them instead of your regular doctor.

Wanting to go to another GP who also administers the vaccine for a consult because of problems with vaccination centers and your regular not administering them themself seems like something neither doctor should have a problem with.

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u/cheesymccheeseplant Dec 03 '21

Not sure where you're located but one of my colleagues has allergies and severe anxiety and was vaxxed in her GP's surgery, so they could supervise her. I believe it's standard practice in the UK but YMMV

I got stabby mcstabface in a repurposed college

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u/SQUID_FUCKER Dec 03 '21

This makes my blood boil.

Maybe you're having an allergic reaction to the vaccine. You should seek a medical exemption. /s

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u/prodrvr22 Dec 03 '21

If his GP recommends the vaccine, his GP should give him the vaccine. Explain that no one else will vaccinate him because of his medical history and he either needs the vaccine or a medical exemption.

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u/ThePenguinTheory Dec 03 '21

I'm in the UK and actually had a reaction to the first vaccine. No one wanted to touch me either, the vaccine clinics said I should get the second jab at the hospital to be on the safe side, but the hospitals were no longer jabbing. I ended up having to get a written note from my Dr to say I could have the second dose which worked wonders. Maybe your BF can ask his Dr for a note or ask to be jabbed at hospital (if that is possible in your country). Fingers crossed for you!!!

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u/Inevitable-tragedy Dec 03 '21

Don't leave the clinic without a paper stating what his GP has recommended. Then force the vaccine booth to give you a paper stating they refuse service. Return to GP and get referred to a clinic that will vaccinate him.

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u/jackieblueideas Dec 03 '21

They're calling themselves "pure bloods", because that doesn't have any nefarious eugenic implications about how everybody else deserves to die. That's why she's angry she can't call herself unvaccinated.

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u/Ridiculisk1 Dec 03 '21

Out of all the things they could've called themselves, they picked the term with heavy implications of incestuous royal bloodlines.

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u/DukkhaWaynhim Dec 03 '21

Does it matter to them that they sound like Voldemort sympathizers?

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u/AlmightyUkobach Dec 03 '21

The guy that went on a psychotic world domination style genocide against mixed races? Why would they be upset about being compared to him?

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u/MF2183 Dec 03 '21

‘Oh noes! My specialness!’

Basically.

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u/IncognitoKing69 Dec 03 '21

Managed to save it before it was deleted.

TLDR; My malicious compliance results in anti-vax woman getting fully vaccinated. The tears were delicious.

So I am a doctor in NZ, currently working in Immunology.

Our country recently (like, today) introduced a policy where you need to show a vaccine pass to be able to access hospitality or retail stores. To get this vaccine pass, you either need to be fully vaccinated or have a legitimate medical exemption.

As I just started working in Immunology, I have a weekly allergy clinic. I had a woman referred into me, who we shall call Karen, who had reportedly had a reaction to the first vaccine dose. We take that very seriously, and there was a strong possibility that she could receive an exemption from the second dose or subsequent booster shots, depending on the nature of the reaction.

However it became clear within the first few minutes of the consult that this woman had not had a serious reaction to the vaccine. She was not telling me any of the symptoms she experienced, and just kept referring to the "reaction". Even direct questioning was getting nowhere. However, after a frustrating 10 minutes, I was able to rule out a severe allergic reaction, or a possible cardiac event (the two major concerns for the Pfizer vaccine).

During the course of the consult, it became obvious that Karen was more interested in grandstanding about the vaccine than in actually receiving medical care. She accidentally let slip that getting a vaccine exemption would benefit her "politically", whatever that meant. She also let slip that she was against vaccines in general, and was trying to prove a point.

I offered her an alternative vaccine, the AstraZeneca, which she vehemently refused due to risk of blood clots.

So, I explained what the standard procedure is to confirm a serious allergy. It's called a challenge. Basically we give the patient the thing they might be allergic to. If they react, we have all of the necessary care with experts on severe allergy right there (this is in a major hospital), and if they don't have a reaction we know you aren't allergic. I explained it by saying "We give you the shot, and see what happens. If you have a reaction, I'll happily write you an exemption for the booster".

She agreed to this, signed the consent form after I went through it in detail. I gave her the vaccine, and she promptly had a "seizure". I put that in quotation marks, because it was the least convincing seizure I have ever seen. I've seen drug addicts trying to score benzos in the ED have more convincing seizures. I'm not even willing to call it a pseudoseizure, it was that terrible. She literally lay down (didn't fall, she actually lay down slowly on the ground) and started flopping like a fish while periodically looking at us to make sure we were watching. I've never seen anything like it. Her vitals signs were all completely normal, blood work was completely normal, everything was fine.

After she had "recovered" (read: got tired and gave up), my boss (who had taken over at this point because of how bizarre it was) explained to her that she did not have a reaction to the vaccine, was kind enough to call it a pseudozeizure, which is essentially a seizure like event cause by a psychological trigger rather than physical that to the patient feels like a real seizure but is not typically dangerous.

He informed her she would not be receiving an exemption. That resulted in much yelling and shouting, until I calmly informed her that she did not need an exemption as she was now fully vaccinated. She received the first dose prior to being sent to our clinic, and we gave her the full second dose during the challenge so she was covered. The look on her face was absolute gold.

She then proceeded to declare that she had not consented to being vaccinated (she had, in writing), and that she refused to accept that she was vaccinated (she was) and that we were lying to prevent her from claiming to be unvaccinated (we weren't). She then stormed out of the clinic when I gave her a "I'm fully vaccinated" sticker which we normally give out after a second dose. I kinda got in a tiny bit of trouble for that bit, but it was soooo worth it.

It was an entertaining afternoon.

EDIT: Wow, thanks for the awards, and thanks for the platinum

EDIT 2: Seeing as so many people keep commenting on it, yes she was fully consented for the procedure. I had explained to her on at least 3 occasions that she would be getting an actual dose of the vaccine, I wrote the name of the vaccine, both the generic name and the brand name, on the top of the consent form infront of her, went through the full consent process, witnessed by a nurse, which she signed, and even showed her the label of the vial I drew the injection from. It's an entire process to give an allergen challenge, and I followed it to the letter. Maybe she thought it didn't count because it was a medical test, I don't know, all I know is she knew she was getting it, she knew why she was getting it, and was aware of what was in the syringe I was injecting her with, but didn't seem to understand that this meant she was now vaccinated

I wouldn't mess with an allergy challenge. It's a serious procedure that I take deadly seriously. I'm aware that I am administering a potentially deadly substance to someone. As much as I joke around on Reddit, I'm a doctor and I take my job very seriously.

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u/FadedQuill Dec 03 '21

Does a pseudoseizure on your medical record in NZ mean that you have to surrender your driving licence temporarily until x months clear of seizure type symptoms? Because if so, lady did a number on herself.

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u/MattyFTM Dec 03 '21

Would I be right in thinking that if someone had a genuine pseudoseizure when being injected, and that was their only history of pseudoseizures, after tests they would probably be cleared to drive due to there being a clear trigger for the seizure and it bring unlikely to happen while driving?

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u/yboy403 Dec 03 '21

unlikely to happen while driving.

I don't know about New Zealand, but I've definitely seen people vaccinating themselves in their cars before.

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u/Kalkaline Dec 03 '21

This is more malingering than a psychogenic nonepileptic spell (PNES). There is a clear goal to her actions, she wants to be exempt from the vaccine, and she stops when it's explained that she won't be getting what she wants. PNES or pseudo seizures are usually closer related to panic attacks, the body can't handle stress like most people can, and the symptoms of stress come out looking somewhat like a seizure.

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u/dr-garth-snoot Dec 03 '21

I’ve had a few of these in my life! It’s frustrating to hear pseudoseizure get conflated with faking, but the name is really misleading. For me, I did not know what tf was happening to me when my brain suddenly shut off mid conversation, my left arm started doing stuff and I slumped. Passed after 10 minutes or so. When I went to the neurologist it was explained that I hadn’t had a normal seizure but I’d had a delayed stress reaction from work and also had signs of narcolepsy. My doc explained neurology as mostly one big grey area.

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u/wearlej Dec 03 '21

Still should have sat her down and told her she now needs to be assessed to see if she can keep her Drivers license, just for extra giggles....

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u/Fierysword5 Dec 03 '21

If they did that you just know this lady would parade the fact around all and sundry as proof of the ‘terrible seizure’ she had because of the vaccine. And be a pain to all her friends and family in the process. No point enabling such behavior.

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u/wearlej Dec 03 '21

By the sounds of it I think that ship has probably already sailed :)

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u/wklink Dec 03 '21

She had a temper tantrum.

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u/ladyskullzer0 Dec 03 '21

Ah if only you could punish people like this for so idiotically wasting resources

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u/Spardasa Dec 03 '21

I had a severe reaction to the first shot of Moderna in March of this year. My throat began to swell / my face / cheeks / forehead began to itch and swell.

Went to Doctor, referred to allergist, couldn't do any type of allergy test at the time since everything was so new. I had a follow up appointment with the allergist who stated there was a test, but it wouldn't identify exactly what I was allergic to (can take off poly ethol glycol because we tested that).

Several months later, I finally got the green light to take a J and J vaccine. Felt like I had to go through an act of Congress with my local health department even having a letter from the allergist.

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u/BradistheRad1 Dec 03 '21 Gold

Was this at Auckland City Hospital today? I saw a woman walking over the bridge to K road screaming something about the vaccine. Would be funny if we had the same person lol.

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u/MythOfHappyness Dec 03 '21

New Zealand man. Going to the same grocery store as the Prime Minister and shit.

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u/Humble_Salad_1075 Dec 03 '21

I no used to be a Paramedic in London, UK. I just wish I’d filmed some of the many ‘seizures’ I’ve witnessed during my time. Comical beyond belief.

The best ones are the people pretending to be unconscious. I used to talk to my colleague in the back of the ambulance while they lay there and play along that it was real and say “oh it’s a shame that of course the DVLA (driving authority) will have to suspend their driving licence now due to this seizure” - suddenly they’d miraculously ‘wake up’ and tell us they’re fine and not to tell the DVLA!!

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u/mostavis Dec 03 '21 Gold

People like that never heard the saying "be a koha, not a hōhā"

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u/tsivv Dec 03 '21

"Be a gift, not a burden."

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u/Ov3rdose_EvE Dec 03 '21

I gave her a "I'm fully vaccinated" sticker which we normally give out after a second dose. I kinda got in a tiny bit of trouble for that bit, but it was soooo worth it.

im dying :D

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u/franktheguy Dec 03 '21

im dying :D

Ah shit, call the doctor. Is there a doctor in the house?

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u/akasdan1 Dec 03 '21

Keeping an eye out for the "AITA for faking a seizure at my doctor's office?" post

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u/demento19 Dec 03 '21

These kinds of people don’t have the introspection necessary for an AITA post.

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u/dotblot Dec 03 '21

She literally lay down (didn't fall, she actually lay down slowly on the ground) and started flopping like a fish

If I were an antivax I would rather accept to be vaccinated than embarrassed myself doing that.

I don't know how she able to face the world after doing majikarp splash.

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u/7ootles Dec 03 '21

See, I'm a needlephobe (childhood trauma) and occasionally have anxiety attacks that can cause what you term a pseudoseizure, and I still had both AZ jabs. So fuck this woman.

I didn't know it's called a pseudoseizure btw - when I went for my first dose, I warned the guy administering it that I sometimes have anxiety-related seizures around needles and he was all "oh you're epileptic". I then had to give a very tedious description to him (not a native English speaker) before he would get the hell on with giving me the injection. He probably didn't get that the buildup was setting bloody fireworks off in my brain and making it more likely that I'd throw a fit. Though I didn't, I just went a little lightheaded after it was done and had to sit and be watched for half an hour.

Second dose was fantastic. Given by a middle-aged woman who was like "oh no, not one of those" when I said I'm needle-phobic. When she asked if I needed a moment to prepare myself, I said "nope just do it before I can get worked up". She did, and I didn't even feel it. I could have hugged her.

That said, I have a friend who has ideopathic anaphylaxia and is firmly in the exempt category, AFAIK they won't even talk to him about the vaccine. That's why "fuck this woman" - there are people with real conditions who can't/shouldn't have it, and people like her cheapen it.

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u/saschahi Dec 03 '21

ayyy same bro

also needlephobic here. (but not seizure levels. only occasionally throwing up and can't stand up immediatly afterwards)

have my first jab tomorrow.

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u/wdjm Dec 03 '21

Just try not to actually think about what's happening - because honestly, the vaccine needle is so small that with a competent nurse, you barely feel it. So concentrate on...counting the mouthwash bottles on the shelf next to you or something and it'll be over before you knw it.

You've got this!

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u/Kinkajou1015 Dec 03 '21

I hate needles as well, for all three jabs I just looked in the opposite direction of the needle and closed my eyes tightly while trying to keep my arm as relaxed as possible. Barely felt anything and it was over in no time. Heck in the second instance I didn't feel anything.

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u/Mor9rim Dec 03 '21

I handle it similarly: firmly look away, and ramble along with what the nurse says (I have asked them in the past to turn up their nonsense chitchat so I can latch onto it and blabber away while they get the job done). By now I know very well how to fool my own brain lol

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u/monkeyrapecave Dec 03 '21

I sometimes have the same thing...pass out and then have a vasovagal syncope response that closely resembles a seizure to the untrained eye. However, if you want to eliminate that response, look up the 'applied tension' technique (same technique pilots use when pulling lots of Gs). That technique, for the most part, gets me successfully through blood work, needles, and basically anything that would cause that response. It's honestly been a life changer!

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u/KrosseStarwind Dec 03 '21

I mean, if she didn't read the paperwork that's on her. It's pretty clear what all was going down.

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u/AccomplishedTwo7047 Dec 03 '21

She was so excited to “prove you wrong” that she didn’t stop and think about the fact it would mean she got the second dose

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u/ten-million Dec 03 '21

How did her pseudo seizure end? Did she just get up, brush herself off and say, "See? I had a seizure." Or did she drag it out?

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u/splat313 Dec 03 '21

Should have said aloud how it is common for people seizing to pee themselves and seen what happened

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u/27026 Dec 03 '21

"Oh come on she isnt even pissing or shitting herself how am I supposed to believe this?"

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u/koshgeo Dec 03 '21

Aloud: "I don't think this is a real seizure, but if it is, we'll have to check whether she has a drivers license and report it so that it can be suspended."

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u/Donttouchthatagain Dec 03 '21

Hey we're all assuming she could read at all! Bold move. Hence why I also read any consent form line by line to my patients. Stupid isn't immediately obvious in some people.

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u/vaguelyambiguous1 Dec 03 '21

This whole thing was gold, but you became my hero the moment you handed over that sticker.

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u/SirVatka Dec 03 '21

Was that the "tiny bit of trouble"?

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u/tutiramaiteiwi Dec 03 '21

Ah ya cheeky git.

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u/Roguefem-76 Dec 03 '21

Told off? That sounds like a compliment to me! 😆

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u/Wolran Dec 03 '21

Reminds me of the story I heard from a greek doctor who was bribed to give some antivaxx people not the actual vaccine but something unharmful. They were willing to pay 500€. He said ok but they had to sign the proper paperwork for the shot. When they did he gave them the actual vaccine. Later he revealed the story and said "If I had given them something else they would have been able to sue me. But as I gave them the actual shot they are just some idiots who paid me to vaccinate them."

Makes me laugh every time.

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u/Shanelav Dec 03 '21

...I gave her a "I'm fully vaccinated" sticker...

chef's kiss🤌

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u/CLG_MianBao Dec 03 '21

Hold up, she didn’t want the second dose, yet she got the first? What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to try to justify this in your head? “I got the first vaccine dose so as long as I don’t get the second one I won’t REALLY be vaccinated. Heck yeah antivax!”

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u/p75369 Dec 03 '21

No, she wanted to present herself as unvaxed for political reasons but didn't want to suffer the restrictions that would entail. Hence getting the first dose so she could claim she has a reaction to it and get an exemption from the second, meaning she would be excused from the restrictions whilst still being able to say she's was unvaxed.

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u/sevseg_decoder Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

It’s a part of their identity. “I dont have to follow the rules everyone else does aren’t I cool”

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u/p75369 Dec 03 '21

Standard tribalism, the tribe has managed to convince itself that a particular thing is good and another thing is bad. So for fear of being ostracised from the tribe, members conform. Not that this is a conscious decision, it's just things our primitive monkey brain is doing in the background.

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u/GRada8 Dec 03 '21

are you trying to find logic in the mind of an antivax?

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u/XAMdG Dec 03 '21

Wait, so she got vaccinated but didn't take the vaccination passport with her? She might be mad, but at least make the best out of a "bad" situation lady

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u/VexingRaven Dec 03 '21

In her mind, she got injected with the vaccine but that doesn't make her vaccinated, because being vaccinated is bad. Or something.

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u/TwistingTale Dec 03 '21

Absolutely adore this, as a medic and pro-vaxxer. Have the only award I’ve got

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u/hubahuba987 Dec 03 '21

is pro-vaxxer a thing? i thought you call that "normal person"

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u/Expensive-Call-7345 Dec 03 '21

I was thinking the same thing. Not a fan. I feel as though pro-vaxxer legitimises anti-vaxxer. It makes them sound like equally reasonable opposing view points.

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u/SQUID_FUCKER Dec 03 '21

That's a good point, even if well intentioned, it does indirectly legitimize the view of being 'anti-vax'

It's like saying, 'I'm a round Earther.' Since the opposite are not defensible positions, it shouldn't be given equal standing and it just muddies the water and bolsters anti-intellectualism as a valid stance.

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u/MisterStampy Dec 03 '21

Having just had a full-on Grand Mal seizure for non-vaccine related reasons, fuck that lady dead in the ass. My partner had to give me chest compressions until the EMT's arrived. I'm ok, but, still, fuck that lady.

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u/jus_plain_me Dec 03 '21

The sticker move was nothing short of pure perfection. Even I got a sense of immense satisfaction just from reading that.

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u/Perpetual_learner8 Dec 03 '21 Helpful

Bravo! People like that give those of us actually allergic to vaccines a bad name! I’m not allergic to this particular one, but a few others, and growing up I was always at risk because of idiots that refused to get vaxxed to protect people like me who couldn’t. I knew there was a risk when I got this particular vax but I was eagerly waiting in line to get it with my epi pen the first day I was eligible. That poor fearful looking pharmacist 😂

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u/Fettnaepfchen Dec 03 '21

Out of curiosity, and not restricted to covid vaccines, how often a year would you say you have cases where you vaccinate in the clinic in resus stand by? I knew it was possible for maximum safety, but I don't know how often it is done and also don't know if the building up of immunity is different to non-allergic patients.

Regarding your post, excellent read, and that she consented to all and yet "didn't seem to understand that this meant she was now vaccinated" properly fits the cognitive dissonance and limited understanding that leads to many being antivax in the first place.

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u/snoopythefuqdog Dec 03 '21

It's slightly comforting to know that America isn't the only one with crazies.

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u/Kineth Dec 03 '21

So she wanted a card saying that she could go into shops and ended up with a card, supposing she eventually sucked her shit up and accepted it, saying she could go to shops. She still found a way to lose her shit and be a petulant child. It's amazing that full ass grown adults have less of a control over their shit than children do.

Also, thank you for getting another one of these nutjobs put in their place. A lot of my friends in the medical industry (nurses and doctors) are so worn out over this that quite a few are thinking of quitting, which would do a disservice to everyone. I'll be sure to link some of them to this story so they can at least get some much needed schadenfreude over it.

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