r/LifeProTips Dec 06 '21 Helpful 28 Wholesome 19 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Silver 12 Gold 1

LPT: Buying a luxury car isn't the expensive part, maintaining it is. Miscellaneous

I worked in the auto industry for several years and this is something I feel is important for people to know. Everyone wants a luxury car and buying them used isn't usually too bad, but when they break and it comes time to fix it; what would normally cost $200 on a Honda is $1,200 on a BMW.

Be mindful of the repair costs on a car before you buy them.

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u/syncpulse Dec 06 '21

I recently retired my old Mercedes hatchback. I used to call it my money pit of joy. It was a blast to drive, light car with a manual transmission and turbo (200 horses) . But every time something broke I was looking at a minimum of $1,000 to fix it. Plus it took premium. I think that car cost me over four grand a year in operating cost. I miss it terribly, but my bank account doesn't.

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u/cbung Dec 06 '21

I mean, an ugly boring cheaper car could have cost 1.5-2k. 2k a year more to have the love and fun sounds like spending 300/month on something you appreciate, like a hobby. Other people spend that on dining out or alcohol, no thanks.

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u/FullMetalJ Dec 07 '21

I guess it depends on how much you need those extra 300 a month. My hobby is playing bass and D&D which are basically free so a hobby costing 300 is not nothing.

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u/ToneThugsNHarmony Dec 06 '21

The worst is when they’re driving an $80k car and complain that they have to put new tires on it and want the cheapest ones, used if possible.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 14 '21 Wholesome

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u/markycrummett Dec 06 '21

I love looking through Nextdoor. Some of the posts are amazing! Wonder if the girl near me managed to sell that £40 printer second hand for £100 yet

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u/Furmentor Dec 06 '21

I can't even make this up. A guy has been trying to sell an iomega zip drive system, circa late nineties, for $120 on Craigslist for the past 2 years.

Imagine being able to zip up to 100 mb and transfer that to another computer on a proprietary drive.

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u/boarder2k7 Dec 06 '21

Zip drives were amazing at the time.

Click disks were also fun

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u/PizzaCatLover Dec 06 '21

It blew my mind how much data could be stored on a zip disc.

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u/HarassedGrandad Dec 06 '21

But one day someone is going to find out that some data they need exists only on an old zip drive and will happily pay $120 for that drive. Just got to keep waiting for them.

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u/zrouse Dec 06 '21

High School Term Papers for me

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u/Jexthis Dec 06 '21

I feel like all the insane people show up on the marketplace apps. My buddy was trying to get rid of a slightly used set of tires, put them up for free and people would ask him, could they deliver the tires 70 miles away. Could mount them, do they fit some random ass truck. Dude, they are free.

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u/jendjskdjxbznsnshd Dec 07 '21

Because marketplace apps are full of people whos time is worth 0 dollars. Most people would just spend the extra money for new and work a couple extra hours. Not marketplace people

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u/Yoda2000675 Dec 06 '21

Mine is mostly comprised of old people whining about teenagers and “suspicious parked cars”

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u/hurdlingewoks Dec 06 '21

There’s a post on my Nextdoor that has 150 comments about how the Taco Bell was closed last night. Comments are a mix of “this isn’t a real problem” and “that’s what happens when the government pays everyone $3,000 a week not to work”

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u/JeffTek Dec 06 '21

I'd take 3k/week to not work, where do I sign up?

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u/SenorBeef Dec 06 '21

I think the same place you go to become a crisis actor.

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u/xSiNNx Dec 06 '21

George Soros. Just give him a call, say the secret liberal code word and he’ll get you taken care of!

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u/Xata27 Dec 06 '21

You too? I also want to know where these people on NextDoor are getting this $3,000/week figure.

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u/Dezadocys Dec 06 '21

Right now mine is a guy asking people for $2000 to pay for his grandmother's funeral and another guy posting videos from his security camera of rain smearing on the lens causing light flares from light reflecting off a water Tower in view and he claims it's energy fields around the water Tower....smh

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u/saltyoldtexan Dec 06 '21

"I saved this poor furbaby, owners left him outside and he almost FROZE TO DEATH!"

Meanwhile, picture of the dog is a full grown Siberian husky and low temperature at night is 55deg.

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u/markycrummett Dec 06 '21

Haha similar here. One posted a video from their security camera asking if anyone knows them… was just two lads walking passed. No trouble, no theft

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u/frugal_masturbater Dec 06 '21

Man.. had one "neighbor" ask on ND about a "suspicious male" (code for a Black Man, of course) walking by in the early morning hours.

Someone pointed out that the guy is walking to work.

Sad commentary ensued, some people going off about racism (rightfully) and others not QUITE defending it at first, but then defending it.

It was really just a sad display all around. Haven't gone back on ND since.

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u/hurdlingewoks Dec 06 '21

Also had a good post a few months ago titled “sex trafficking truck spotted” it was a moving truck someone painted gray to use for their own moving business.

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u/TJNel Dec 06 '21

In my neighborhood there was one complaining that someone put two gallon containers of paint in their trash dumper on the street during trash day. Then, I shit you not, everyone was replying saying to call the police. Like bitch you think they are going to stake out your trash can? That's when I knew I needed to stop reading their drivel.

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u/SenorBeef Dec 06 '21

I remember seeing craigslist posts like "I'm trying to sell my laptop from 2015. I'm not being greedy, I'm only selling it for what it cost originally"

Like... what the fuck, do you think laptops age like fine wine and gain value over time? You're not being greedy by selling your $1200 brand new 2015 laptop in 2021 for $1200?

People that sell shit on the internet are crazy. Everyone that wants to buy shit is a scammer. I never buy shit on craigslist/offerup/etc anymore because you just run into too many crazy people.

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u/markycrummett Dec 06 '21

It’s just as nuts the other way round too. I put an old sofa on marketplace a while ago completely for free. Come grab it, saves me taking it to the tip or paying for it to be removed. So many people asked for more photos, what’s the condition, how old, “is that a mark in that little corner?”. It’s 5 years old, it’s been used, IT FREE

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u/SenorBeef Dec 07 '21

One time I was tossing out old furniture, posted some pictures, said where the garbage pickup was and when it would be, and told anyone who was interested to just come and take it, don't contact me. Someone picked it up within a couple of hours.

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u/MFbiFL Dec 07 '21

That’s why you list it for $50 and take the first lowball offer you get that’s willing to pick it up.

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u/h0tnredy4dAddy Dec 06 '21

Lol someone on my feed bought a hanging cat bed for 125 dollars, he then saw it at a store selling for 65, he sent a picture of it to the person he bought it off of. They said “oh that’s a good deal, I payed 100 for it”

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u/markycrummett Dec 06 '21

😂😂😂😂😂

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u/Kryptosis Dec 06 '21

That doesn’t surprise me. My coworker buys random shit like printers at thrift shops to resell online. He keeps talking about all the stuff he’s buying to resell and I keep asking about what he’s actually managed to sell.

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u/MacroCode Dec 06 '21

Just recently on our nextdoor someone asked how to get in contact with the HOA all the replies were: we don't have one and that's why we live here.

I'm so proud of my neighborhood. Maybe it's annoying that my neighbor mows his lawn twice a year and his weeds spread to my yard. But at least I'm not paying $265 per month to a group of assholes who do nothing for the community.

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u/knoegel Dec 07 '21

HOAs are meant to keep the neighborhood looking relatively clean (clean your yard, mow, don't let your house collapse into disrepair). But damn if most HOA leaders get power hungry and make up random new rules just to spite a single homeowner.

My mom got fined $100 for leaving Christmas decorations up after January 1st. (spoilers: she was in the hospital after a bad car wreck a few days prior)

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u/Wtfwhy90 Dec 06 '21

As far as maintenance goes, Lexus is pretty cheap for a mid tier "luxury" car.

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u/avgazn247 Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 06 '21

That’s because u can mostly recycle Toyota parts. Es is a fancy Camry. Rx is an up scale higherlander. There is no “cheaper bmw or merc”

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u/cockOfGibraltar Dec 06 '21

Bmw and merc are the worst. I've done my own work on a Porsche and it wasn't that bad. Brakes were brembo so the pads were easy to find and priced normally for big performance pads. Clutch and flywheel wasn't too bad. You can find all the OEM part numbers online so you don't need to order through the dealer. Just don't break some small interior piece that happens to be shared with a 911 or you'll never find a replacement cheap. I put way too much work into gluing and reinforcing the ash try lid because the new ash tray goes for 300 bucks online.

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u/FireVanGorder Dec 06 '21

I’m assuming this goes for Acura/Honda as well?

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u/yourscreennamesucks Dec 06 '21

Frickin Lexus owners always trying to put cheap parts on their cars

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u/beginpanic Dec 06 '21

Yeah can you believe my mechanic tried to put TOYOTA parts on my LEXUS?!

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u/Antrephellious Dec 06 '21

The concept of Lexus is a higher entry price in exchange for incredibly low maintenance costs. Lots of Lexus owners want to spend as little as possible on maintenance.

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u/WitBeer Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 06 '21

i've looked at some nicer used cars, and passed on them when i see linglong or lionheart tires. if you cheaped out on tires, i can assume you cheaped out on everything and didn't maintain it.

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u/UnspecificGravity Dec 06 '21

Conversely, find a cheap used car with decent tires and good tread and you've found yourself a well maintained vehicle.

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u/johnnycyberpunk Dec 06 '21

You can finance your $80k Escalade for 84 months.
You can't really 'finance' $1,200 worth of tires and another $200-300 for mount & balance.

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u/Big_Booty_Pics Dec 06 '21

If you're paying $300 for mount and balance they are taking you out behind the shed. It should be $20-30/tire at most.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 13 '21

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u/UncleBobPhotography Dec 06 '21

"Very important" is an understatement. As long as the car has breaks, i would have called the tires the most important component for stopping and handling. I am willing to bet that the tires were the weakest link (exluding the driver) in a majority of accidents.

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u/KnickedUp Dec 06 '21

Go to the mall and check the tread on most peoples cars. Its why I try not to go out during snowstorms. People have no clue

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u/JeepPilot Dec 06 '21

I've noticed more than one luxobarge at Walmart or Farm & Fleet having tires mounted... Then fast forward a month "My benz sucks, the handling is awful especially in the rain...."

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u/SpaceJackRabbit Dec 06 '21

Well to be fair, Walmart shops also have and install top tier tire brands. I did get some Michelin tires mounted there once. Never again though, took them three or four hours to do the job. Fuck that.

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u/besaolli Dec 06 '21

When I was 16 (1980), my grandmother drove a 1972 Oldsmobile Toronado; I loved that car! I asked her if she would sell it to me when she was done with it and she replied that I can't afford it. I told her I had saved up over $1000! She said, "You can afford to buy it, but you cannot afford to keep it." [It was a gas pig that was not very reliable]

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u/SpudsUlik Dec 06 '21

Looks like grandma was really looking out for you

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u/besaolli Dec 06 '21

She always did! I miss that old girl!

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u/AgnosticPerson Dec 06 '21

Grandmas are the best. And they don’t put up with any crap.

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u/TommyTuttle Dec 06 '21 Gold Helpful Wholesome

My folks gave me a Volvo with a quarter of a million miles on it. I couldn’t afford to have it maintained so I learned to maintain it myself. I learned to fix everything that went wrong. Slowly bought a full set of tools.

I ultimately became an engineer. There’s a lot to be said for the experience and knowledge you gain in driving a car you can’t afford the repairs on.

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u/mj0r Dec 06 '21

Problem with most of the newer luxury cars is you need a multi thousand dollar scan tool just to do simple things. They don’t even give you a dipstick to check the oil anymore. So either way if you’re broke you’re screwed. It should be common sense though that a luxury car will be more expensive to maintain, even if you’re the one maintaining it.

When I was 18 and working on cars things were way different. I was actually able to replace my engine computer with an open source solution called megasquirt. I could figure anything out with basic tools and a Haynes manual.

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u/502502502 Dec 06 '21

Yeah but that doesn't help me check the transmission oil on a freezing Dodge Caravan that doesn't have a dipstick.

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u/1fakeengineer Dec 06 '21

Should have bought the BMW, "Lifetime" Transmission Oil!, and "Lifetime" Coolant too!

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u/px-xq Dec 06 '21

This is exactly how I learned auto maintenance as well as obtained all my tools over the years. Not on a Volvo, but on a VW which I learned the auto parts stores rarely carry parts for and even the fluids (something as simple as power steering fluid) had to be specifically for VWs and cost a lot more than a simple dot 3 fluid off the shelf at any parts store. I drive Toyotas now, but have plans in the future for my hobby "hot rod" of an Audi A8. I know I'll have to do all the work myself but because of being forced to learn I feel very comfortable working on just about any auto system. But to OPs point, it ain't gonna be cheap!

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u/tflynn09 Dec 06 '21 Wholesome

Maserati technician here. This is spot on. The amount of people I see spend every nickel they have on a new car, only to have to trade it in at its first large service, is hilarious.

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u/noelcowardspeaksout Dec 06 '21

The running cost for a Land Rover is also pretty appalling if you include the fuel consumption, insurance cost and if you look on RepairPal.com Land Rover SUVs have an average maintenance cost of $1,174. this is about double what some other popular SUVs have reported. The Toyota RAV4, for example, has an average maintenance cost per year of $429. Money toilets.

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u/ParcelPosted Dec 06 '21

Duh! It is a “Transporter of Gods””… the Golden God specifically!!!

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u/prattalmighty Dec 06 '21

I have to have my tools!

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u/hochoa94 Dec 06 '21

This is not a starter car! This is a finisher car!

I mean he’s not wrong. Maintenance must’ve been a bitch

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u/MonoAmericano Dec 06 '21

93' Defender 110 owner here -- you only buy Land Rovers if you like working on cars. Good thing about the old Defenders is that they were almost entirely mechanical and have almost enough space to stand up in the engine compartment. A lot of fun to work on, but certainly not designed for reliability.

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u/gay_manta_ray Dec 06 '21

at what point do you just say fuck it and buy a land cruiser?

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u/kraenk12 Dec 06 '21

I mean it's Maserati. They are built to break.

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u/skyburnsred Dec 06 '21

Maseratis are like the pinnacle of buying something just to flex. They're garbage cars but people see the trident and think the driver is a baller

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u/denkmemoz Dec 06 '21

They sound awesome though my neighbour had one but traded it in for a 991 Turbo S, I wonder why.

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u/iSpeakforWinston Dec 06 '21

Because a 991 Turbo S is a far superior machine in every possible way.

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u/Interdimension Dec 06 '21

I agree, but they do have great-sounding exhausts/engines. Even the oft-maligned Ghibli (that Doug DeMuro roasted in his famous video) sounded quite nice.

Unfortunately, that’s pretty much the only redeeming factor for them. If I wanted an exotic car with that sounded good and had great driving dynamics, I’d rather buy an Alfa Romeo. That’ll spend every other weekend in the shop too, but at least I’ll be having fun hooning it.

I cannot justify buying a Maserati other than if you just wanted to flex on people who knew very little about cars.

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u/upstateduck Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

that is where I used to get my MB 4Matic wagons. First big service/repair at 100k cost $10k at the dealer and folks get rid of them. Dealers didn't want them as used so they go to auction/sold private. I would buy them for $5k and drive them until they broke [usually around 250k]

edit added "repair" as folks read service and think only maintenance

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u/ToneThugsNHarmony Dec 06 '21

Similar to the 25k service on Ferrari’s which cost around $25k last I looked. One owner for the first 20k miles, 10 owners from 20-30k miles all trying to sell it off before the big service.

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u/Swagger0126 Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 06 '21

Oh god, Maseratis are known for terrible reliability. The crappiest brand out there man, surprised they actually have technicians lol

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u/onemassive Dec 06 '21

Their reliability is just job security for their techs

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u/Iisham Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 07 '21 Silver Helpful

Grandpa has a mechanic friend that loves* to tell the same joke.

"What's more expensive than a new Mercedes?"

"A used one."

Well this blew up. Thanks for the award kind stranger.

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u/MindlessQuantity7 Dec 06 '21

I hear what your saying but I have 530,000 miles on my merecedes.

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u/litercola84 Dec 06 '21

I had an 84 300D. The joke about those is that they’ll go for a million miles but it’ll cost a million bucks to get there.

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u/cat_of_danzig Dec 06 '21

The nice thing a bout your '84 is that it doesn't have 500 features like active lane assist, massaging seats, electric sun shades, kinetic suspension (whatever that might mean), auto wipers, etc, etc, etc that you don't really want or need to work, but they'll throw an annoying code if they break, or they'll half work making it a pita to drive. It's like having two dozen W124 sunroof problems all over teh car.

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u/MoirasPurpleOrb Dec 06 '21

Mileage alone is a poor metric though, most people aren’t complaining about the cars totally failing, just that maintenance costs are overwhelming.

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u/Reanie86 Dec 06 '21

True! But I still don’t understand the original statement. A luxury vehicle is not that affordable to begin with. Definitely expensive to maintain it!

A new Lexus is around $60,000. There are more expensive ones but let’s just work with this one. Even if there were a deal that you could have 0% interest on a 5-year loan AND have the luxury of a $10,000 down payment, you would still be looking at $833/month!! How is that affordable??

“You could just lease it because that’s what most luxury vehicle people do anyway.” Sure! You still have $2,000 due at signing and you are STILL over $600 a month. Don’t even get me started on insurance for a luxury vehicle!

“Buying a luxury vehicle isn’t the expensive part, maintaining it is.” Ha! They are both the expensive part.

Source: I was a car salesperson for years.

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u/yahya777 Dec 06 '21

I think the comment was more for used cars. Luxury cars usually depreciate faster and you can easily purchase a used BMW or Audi for a fraction of the price. You may have enough money for that used 20K S Class but chances are you can't keep it running if you can only afford a 20K car.

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u/woodpony Dec 06 '21

You see so many people buying used 5/7 Series and S Classes because it cost as much as a loaded Camry. The problem is that you bought a $100k car for $30k...but you are still maintaining a $100k car.

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u/Viperlite Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

And it’s not done yet on the depreciation curve at that point. I had a $30k lightly used E39 BMW 540 M sport and by the time I had it three more years it was worth like $12k. Between crazy amounts of maintenance and continued depreciation. I took a bath on it compared to Toyota sports cars I had in that same early 2000s era.

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u/dahblahdablahblahbla Dec 06 '21

The value of the car plummets because the cost of maintenance skyrockets.

I owned a used BMW. I loved and hated that car. It would have been cheaper to buy a new honda or toyota over the 4-5 years I owned it, and at the end I'd have had a functional car.

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u/RestAndVest Dec 06 '21

Same here. It was so expensive to maintain the bmw because it would break down so much not to mention premium gas. I traded it in for a Toyota and now I feel rich

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u/banelingsbanelings Dec 06 '21

I'm pretty sure op is talking about lightly - heavily used cars.

Take the SL 55 for example. 20k ish, 500 HP, insanely complex suspension, conveertible and the usual AMG shenanigans.

But at the end of the day it is still originally a six figure car, and the replacement parts and maintenance will cost you as if it was still a six figure car, rather than the price you paid for it after depreciation.

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u/D_evolutionOfMan Dec 06 '21

Purchasing Manager at my company bought a used AMG and kept it at the office so his wife wouldn't drive it, left the sunroof open one day when it happened to drop an inch or two of rain while he was across the border in Mexico. Couldn't have happened to a better person, honestly.

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u/DontTreadOnBigfoot Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 06 '21

Lexus is kind of an exception to this rule though, because under all the shiny, flashy bits, it's a Toyota, which makes it far more reliable than the traditional "luxury" cars like Mercedes, BMW, Jag, etc...

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u/stilusmobilus Dec 07 '21

Just about to say…Lexus is your hack here.

I had the back rotors replaced on my IS250, $90 each. Same rotor as a version of the Camry.

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u/tFalk Dec 06 '21

The old saying I always heard was "If you can not afford two BMWs, you can not afford one BMW"

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u/Sauwa Dec 06 '21

This works for a lot of things in life but definitely not for housing 😅

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u/Dalekdude Dec 06 '21

I buy doubles to be safe. Sometimes triples

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u/Rabalderfjols Dec 06 '21

In Norway we say that there's nothing more expensive than a cheap German car. They probably say that elsewhere, too.

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u/Stooby2 Dec 06 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome

It's true, here in the UK we say that in Norway they say there's nothing more expensive than a cheap German car.

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u/tooslow Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 07 '21 Helpful

That’s true, here in Egypt we say that the Brits say that the Norwegians say that there’s nothing more expensive than a cheap German car.

Edit: صحيح، هنا في مصر بيقولوا ان البريطانيين بيقولوا ان الي من النرويج بيقولوا ان مفيش حاجه ثمنها اغلي من انك تكون مالك عربيه المانيه رخيصة

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u/JebbeK Dec 06 '21

Can concur, here in Finland we say that in Egypt they say that the Brits say that the Norwegians say that there's nothing more expensive than a cheap German car.

(note, I've owned 3 'cheap' German cars and all of them have been basically free, even gained me money)

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u/oranlol Dec 06 '21

здесь, в России, мы говорим, что финны говорят, что в Египте говорят, что британцы говорят, что норвежцы говорят, что нет ничего дороже дешевой немецкой машины.

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u/chuy2256 Dec 06 '21

Confirmo!

En México decimos que los Rusos dicen que los Finlandeses dicen que en Egipto dicen que los Británicos dicen que los Noruegos dicen que: "No hay nada más caro que un carro Alemán barato."

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u/iforgotmynamedammit Dec 06 '21

Onaylayabilirim, Türkiye'de biliyoruz ki Meksikalılar diyor ki Ruslar diyor ki Finlandiyalılar diyor ki Mısırlılar diyor ki İngilizler diyor ki Norveçliler "Ucuz bir Alman arabadan daha pahalı bir şey yoktur" diyorlar.

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u/d33pcode Dec 06 '21

È vero!

Qui in Italia diciamo che la macchina te la devi far prestare da papà perché tanto non te la puoi permettere.

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u/g_red_5 Dec 06 '21

I know a couple people that fell for this regretted buying a lower tier Mercedes and used Jaguar. Regretted it later

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u/MickSturbs Dec 06 '21

Yes, I bought an old Jag a few years back for a really good price but when things started to go wrong my local dealership wanted to charge me £100 just to plug the diagnostic tool in!

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u/TedStrykersAcct Dec 06 '21

Had a Land Rover Discovery... We knew that if there wasn't any oil puddles under it that it must be bone dry of oil....

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u/johnzischeme Dec 06 '21 Wholesome

I had one of those, the driver side memory-power seat died and it was gonna be 12k to replace it and something else on the engine, a belt or some shit. I traded it in right there for a Grand Cherokee that disappointed me in different ways.

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u/johnzischeme Dec 06 '21

Yeah the 4wd was kind of funky too now that you mention it.

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u/JMS1991 Dec 06 '21

DougDemuro (YouTube who makes videos about cars, for those who aren't familiar) famously bought a used Range Rover from Carmax with a warranty. The warranty was $4,000 for 6 years, and he ended up getting paid out like $22,000 in claims on it.

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u/jsteph67 Dec 06 '21

I remember an old joke, you know why the British do not make tvs? they have not figure out how to make it leak oil yet.

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u/illspiritX Dec 06 '21

Get a Land Rover if you want to go into the wilderness. Get a Land Cruiser if you want to get back out.

Or something like that.

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u/series-hybrid Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 06 '21

Rover started making vacuum cleaners, so they could say that at least one product in their catalog didn't suck.

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u/JoeDirtTrenchCoat Dec 06 '21

Idk if they all have the same port but I would just buy an ODB reader if you can. I borrow my dads, it has saved me time and money.

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u/ThuhBoySwiggz Dec 06 '21

That just sounds like a diagnosis fee. That’s pretty standard practice in the auto industry

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u/FoxiPanda Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 06 '21

I wonder how this applies to EVs since the battery is by far and away the most expensive and most likely to break and they're required by law to have an 8 year 100K mile warranty (here in the US).

Obviously if you have stuff like window motors or headlights break, those can be expensive, but there's no transmission or head gaskets or major oil leaks etc to happen.

(Edit: I can’t spell oil.)

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u/AdorableContract0 Dec 06 '21

So far, so good.

Cost of warranty is available in publicly traded companies disclosures, and full ev manufacturers are about half of regular manufacturers

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u/thenewdiabolic Dec 06 '21

I believe maintenance is cheap but if anything goes wrong with the batteries you can be screwed. There is a YouTube channel called Rich Rebuilds and he helped a few people that Tesla was going to charge $20k to fix and he fixed for like $1k.

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u/starringcontestant Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

Around 2yrs ago my mum bought a used EV (non-Tesla) commuter car for less than $14k.

So far, on a car with a 120mi range:

Tires have to be replaced relatively frequently ($70/ea, so $280 every ~30k mi)

A replacement 12V battery is $2000 (she opted to replace this early for some reason) EDIT: My mistake, the cost was actually $343. I think my mum was taking the piss when she said it was “less than $2000”.

Charging adapter for different plug ($500)

And that’s every penny she’s sunk into it in over 2yrs. Granted she only uses it for a 30mi round trip drive to work, but the fact that it’s needed virtually 0 repairs and hasn’t cost a penny in gas has been a huge stress relief.

Total cost: $1123.

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u/usernameblankface Dec 06 '21

Gotta figure in gas savings to get real world cost of ownership.

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u/GooieGui Dec 06 '21

gas savings are pretty wild. I'm spending less than $3 on electricity for 100 miles of driving. I seriously don't know why full time uber drivers aren't switching to electric. The fuel savings alone would basically cover monthly payments on the car.

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u/usernameblankface Dec 06 '21

I imagine they're worried about losing jobs/trips due to charging time, but wow! The fuel savings would have to be worth it!

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u/ZeePirate Dec 06 '21

Also EV’e are more expensive and driving for Uber doesn’t exactly roll in the dough

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u/Deutsco Dec 06 '21

30k miles is quite a low lifespan for a set of tires. You may need to check inflation more often, keep up with tire rotations, or buy a different brand of tire, but you absolutely should be able to get 50k out of many all season tires. (Depends on her driving style too I suppose)

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u/Funkyfreshh Dec 06 '21

EVs tend to chew through tires very quickly due to the huge weight of the batteries in the vehicle.

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u/LincolnTransit Dec 06 '21

huh, TIL. i thought maybe you were wrong but seems not.

Link

By the way i thought this comparison was idiotic buy funny:

Take the GMC Hummer EV, for instance. The Edition 1 version, which has lots of batteries for additional driving range and power, weighs over 9,000 pounds. That's roughly three times the weight of a Honda Civic.

Yeah i would imagine a hummer would weigh more than a honda civic.

But they do show good comparisons later in the article.

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u/ArthurRemington Dec 06 '21

Not just that, but also because they put down instant torque so effortlessly. You end up not even noticing that you're doing near-burnouts at every traffic light by just driving briskly. It all adds up!

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u/rugerty100 Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 06 '21

Perhaps for the ones with bigger batteries, but for lower-range EVs like his, it would weigh similar to a midsize ICE sedan. It's more likely the instant torque and quick acceleration that wears it down.

  • 2018 Hyundai Ioniq Electric SE (124 miles EPA) - 1490 KG

  • 2018 VW e-Golf (125 miles EPA) - 1567 KG

  • 2018 Toyota Camry - 1495 KG

*specific weight may vary based on trim level/equipment, but close 'nuff

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u/zipdiss Dec 06 '21

You are dead wrong about the battery being most likely to break. The current generation of battery will go 300,000 miles on average with almost no maintenance except for maybe 2 coolant flushes. The battery failure rate is quite low especially when compared to something like an ICE car transmission or engine.

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u/FatherAnonymous Dec 06 '21

Depreciation on luxury cars tends to be a bigger killer. Luxury features from 5 years ago have often crept into either standard equipment or normal upgrades on new non luxury cars.

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u/KnickedUp Dec 06 '21

Yep.. the Volvos are sneaky though…those used ones seem to still get really nice resell.

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u/DoorDashCrash Dec 06 '21

Have you seen a Volvo in a crash? Watched an XC90 get t-boned, roll completely back over on its wheels and the guy got out like it didn’t happen, could have driven away with a damaged door skin and broken side mirror. Those things are tanks.

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u/P00G1 Dec 06 '21

I just picked up a Volvo and the safety features are really impressive. There’s even a pedestrian airbag and one for the drivers knees. Also has some nifty anti-collision laser thing.

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u/JasperStrat Dec 07 '21

They literally invented the 3 point safety harness that is still the standard seat belt, and when they did they released it to th public so that other companies could freely copy it. They said they felt like safety shouldn't be hidden behind intellectual property rights and should be available to everyone.

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u/new_alpha Dec 06 '21

Look up the history of Volvo cars. Created exactly to be the safest cars out there. The only luxury brand I say is totally worth it if you can’t afford to buy one new. Security is always worth it

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u/Absolutely_sure_thx Dec 06 '21

TIL Volvo is seen as a luxury brand outside Scandinavia!

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u/Kindly-Advantage3207 Dec 06 '21

Of course. Volvo is a bmw, Mercedes and Audi competitor. Although yes the Germans usually have a more fun driving experience or better technology, Volvo is near those brands which are considered luxury brands

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u/SuperBelgian Dec 06 '21

Volvo and good old Saab. Safest cars ever.

Your 3-point seatbelt was an invention by Volvo. They made it available for free for other car manufacturers to use as they valued human lives saved over commercial interests.

That mentality is incorperated in the design of the car as well.

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u/KnickedUp Dec 06 '21

The junk yard wont even take Volvos because they cant crush them

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u/Gufftrumpets Dec 06 '21

Mine seems to have increased in value, two years and 20k miles after buying it 🤔 although I suppose that’s down to the current market

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u/SquirrelGod9000 Dec 06 '21

Own and afford are two entirely different things.

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u/bkovic Dec 06 '21

Agreed. You have to look at the lifetime cost of an asset not just monthly

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u/LOLARISX Dec 06 '21 Heartwarming

I think this applies to all expensive things. Most people get them partly because they look nice. Guess what, keeping them looking nice cost money, too.

Leasing upscale new cars is heavily subsidized by our workplace so we can afford one (operational). For the rest of the stuff we wear and use for ourselves and at home, I strive for higher quality material but not exactly high-end in pricing. I invest in the tools/materials/solutions that would help prolong the refined look of the non-cheapie items we buy.

You may not be rich but you can always look neat.

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u/tgbst88 Dec 06 '21

It depends, buying a high end mixer that will last you life time is much better than buy 4 cheap ones that will last that same time frame. Cars are status symbols (for some folks) and the idea of showing people your wealth often times overrides common sense and finical viability. I guess the point is sometimes you get what you pay for and sometimes you are paying for status and not quality.

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u/warrant2k Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 06 '21

Years ago wife wanted a Mercedes. Now we have a Mercedes. Oil change is $300.

Edit: to answer some of the comments, we found an independent shop run by a former dealership mechanic. All services are generally half the cost.

But it's rarely same day service, no loaner cars, and is across the county. Makes it a slight challenge to balance shop hours, work sked, and pick up/drop off.

Wife would rather get it done now, or get a loaner car, or not worry about traffic.

fml

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u/JohnTM3 Dec 06 '21

Yeah my wife has one too. A $300 dealership oil change will usually cost about $150 anywhere else. Don't let them fool you into thinking nobody else can work on it.

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u/Dirt_Bike_Zero Dec 06 '21

Other places like Quick Lube can work on it, but the problem is that there are usually a lot of little plastic fasteners securing the under body panels and the chance of getting the guys at Quick Lube or whatever to get them all put back in place correctly is slim. They don't have time or patience for that. The dealer will do it right.

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u/JohnTM3 Dec 06 '21

Yeah there is a sliding scale of reputable shops, I'd put a quick lube place on the crap end of this scale. It really depends on how experienced the techs are.

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u/terriblegrammar Dec 06 '21

Get an oil extractor. You don't need to get under the car and it'll pay for itself in one oil change if you are truly paying above $100 for a change.

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u/SuperBrentendo64 Dec 06 '21

Sounds like it's worth doing your own oil changes now.

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u/MrMcGibblets86 Dec 06 '21

I do my own for $30. 2013 C63 AMG

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u/Kent_Knifen Dec 06 '21

Lots Of Trouble, Usually Serious

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u/Jake_77 Dec 06 '21

Just Empty Every Pocket

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u/GrumpyBadgerDwarf Dec 06 '21

This is true, but only half the story.

Maintenance is what you do to avoid the need for repair; while the repairs are more expensive, these types of car are also much less tolerant of neglect. If' you're going to drive something without looking after it either buy a Toyota pickup, or buy cheap & change often.

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u/CDewfus Dec 06 '21

People will use cheap oil and go forever between changes because they dont wanna pay for 8 quarts and a Mercedes filter.

On the other hand, my cheap ass toyota gets all maintenance on time.

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u/smallpbiginsecurity Dec 06 '21

Except if it’s a Lexus. Many share a lot of Toyota parts and are built like bricks

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u/QuoVadis11 Dec 06 '21

Can confirm. My is250 has made me proud. Haven't had any issues other than routine maintenance.

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u/Lestonkpiquer Dec 06 '21

Lexus ftw

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u/ilikeitsharp Dec 06 '21

Can confirm. I loved my IS350. For others reading this, buy certified used from a dealer. They're Toyota parts so they're pretty reliable. Work can be done at a shop waaaaaay cheaper than a dealer. A used European luxury car can be stupid expensive to upkeep.

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u/Therapy-Jackass Dec 06 '21

Lexus is regularly on the top of many lists for cheapest annual maintenance. These lists include non-luxury cars. Lexus ftw

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u/Net_Ryeder Dec 06 '21

Was expecting this comment to be higher. Lexus may not be as flashy/luxurious as some of the other brands mentioned in the thread, but they are amazing vehicles.

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u/seemonkey Dec 06 '21

Infiniti and Acura also use Nissan and Honda parts.

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u/FLCLHero Dec 06 '21

Or 12,000 dollars on a Ferrari or Lamborghini

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u/Possible-Employer-55 Dec 06 '21 Helpful

Old cheep BMW are supposed to fixed by oneself, in a kind of hobby / lifestyle slowly that consumes all of your time, energy and healthy relationships. Waayy better than paying for a mechanic to do it, and you don't have to drive a Honda. You just need to be good at diagnosing the stages of bimmeritus, and providing intensive tharapy to delay its inevitable progression.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '21

You don’t buy an old BMW. You marry it.

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u/KnickedUp Dec 06 '21

You said it. My BIL side job is taking care of his 1988 BMW. 😂

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u/balroag Dec 06 '21

Can confirm, had one old BMW and currently have one aging BMW. They both spent more time on jack stands than on the road.

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u/bkovic Dec 06 '21

This also goes for buying a house larger than you can afford just because the interest rates are low at the moment

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u/mandarb916 Dec 06 '21

That's why you buy a house that comes with a workshop and lift so you can put car repair costs towards the mortgage of the larger house.

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u/Shenaniganz08 Dec 06 '21

This is my dream, 3 car garage with a lift

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u/I_can_vouch_for_that Dec 06 '21

At least the house has the opportunity to appreciate. For the most part cars don't appreciate unless you're trying to buy one now because of the chip shortage.

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u/Nytonial Dec 06 '21

Unless you're willing to drive it into the ground and do all the maintenance yourself. (so depreciation doesn't matter when you don't have worthless "authorised mechanic" stamps in the book)

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u/deadbike Dec 06 '21

Especially true if you’re buying used. Nothings more expensive than a cheap, used bmw.

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u/ThePartyLeader Dec 06 '21

What about a cheap used jaguar

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u/TheDukeofBamberg Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 07 '21

Also expensive .. new Parts have to be shipped from England and Thats Quite expensive

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u/MightyDevil1 Dec 06 '21

What if you lived in England then?

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u/FromLondonToLA Dec 06 '21

Then they ship them from Germany...

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u/NDZ188 Dec 06 '21 Take My Energy

Lease expensive cars, buy the reliable beaters.

I get that some people prefer to have a nice car, but the upkeep after warranty can be killer.

Leasing let's you have the car while it's still in warranty, and you can hand it right back when you are done.

Sure you are going to perpetually have a car payment, but it's better for your own peace of mind and you can always just say "screw it" and lease nothing.

At least that way you aren't tied down to a shitbox that needs 5k+ in repairs and have the burden of selling it.

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u/impressivepineapple Dec 06 '21

I actually know someone who leased a Mercedes! He loved it, but he said he'd NEVER have bought one because his brand new Mercedes he was leasing had been in the shop at least half the lifetime of the lease. They just would give him other cars to drive for free, while it was getting worked on, and he didn't have to pay for the work, so he didn't care.

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u/misterguyyy Dec 06 '21

That’s one way to lifehack a higher mileage limit

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u/OrgyMcBloodyFace Dec 06 '21

Right? Road trip coming up? Take it in for that warning light, put 1500miles on the loaner

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u/_alex87 Dec 06 '21

That’s me with my Alfa Romeo.

Has spent so much time in the shop (like 19 visits in the past 2 years), and is there right now going on 3 weeks now, but I get handed keys to a brand new loaner every single time.

Annoying? Ya, very much so. Would NEVERRRR buy one tho, and honestly probably wouldn’t lease another anyways. But at least I’m getting nice loaners in return? Just a headache regardless.

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u/Dirty_magnum Dec 06 '21

This absolutely! Wish more people realized that this is the only way to go. Want an Audi?? Don’t ever finance one, only lease it. Want a Tundra that will run for 300k miles? Buy that bad boy all day long.

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u/Hopeful_Philosophy85 Dec 06 '21 edited Dec 06 '21

FIL has a Tundra and it finally got its first major engine issue after 315k miles

Edit: updated to 315,000 miles

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u/rhaegar_tldragon Dec 06 '21

That’s why they drop in value significantly after the warranty expires.

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u/JimBeam823 Dec 06 '21

This is also why the Lincoln Town Car sold so well for so long.

It was a cushy living room on wheels that was mechanically similar to millions of cop cars and taxicabs.

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u/DeliciousGorilla Dec 06 '21

I bought a 2018 BMW a month ago. The battery light came on a few days later. $2,000 USD for a replacement (some sort of speciality lithium ion battery). Luckily I still have a warranty.

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u/NarwhalAttack Dec 06 '21

Just copped a volvo I love it but my old toyota highlander was 40 for a diy oil change, and now 80 is the cheapest I have found for an oil change kit for my volvo, so definitely consider that when you buy a vehicle being able to wrench on your own vehicle opens the doorway a bit into a more "luxurious" vehicle but only if you're willing to get dirty yourself lol

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u/Svargas05 Dec 06 '21

Yeah man, but they only recommend oil changes on the new Volvos once a year or every 12k miles.

So it's not that much different... And even on my 2018 Maxima it requires full synthetic, which is the same story.

And brand new Volvos come with the first 3 years of oil changes free as part of their warranty.

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u/zepherys713 Dec 06 '21

Just buy yourself a good Honda/Mazda/Toyota (or if you have more cash to waste Acura/Lexus) and be happy.

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u/JMS1991 Dec 06 '21

Oddly enough, my wife's used Acura RDX was like $2-$3K cheaper than a used Honda CR-V of the same year/similar mileage, despite being built on the same platform. I'm assuming it's just because the Acura has the less fuel-efficient V6 (as opposed to the CR-V's 4-cylinder), but it still gets decent gas mileage for an SUV. And I think the styling is a hell of a lot better, especially the interior.

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u/hat-of-sky Dec 06 '21

This also applies to clothes on sale that say "DRY CLEAN ONLY" on the label.

Also children and pets.

It may still be worth it, just be sure you understand what it is.

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u/wisetex Dec 06 '21 Heartwarming

Tip: if you want a luxury car but don’t want to pay for maintenance, look at an Acura or Lexus. Sure they’re not as prestigious as, say, a Mercedes, but they’re sure a lot cheaper to maintain.

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