r/LifeProTips 7d ago

LPT: Don’t bother giving more than a two week notice. Careers & Work

Had a coworker put in his notice until the end of the year. Told them he’s going back to school starting the first, but wanted to give enough notice to hire and help train someone to take over for him so we wouldn’t be down a person.

They decided that two weeks is enough, so now he won’t be getting paid, except for potential unemployment which is significantly less than what he makes now, for the next two months. If he would’ve just kept his mouth shut and not tried to help them, he would’ve continued to get paid and then could’ve given a two week notice.

Don’t try to help the company. They have no interest in helping you, just helping themselves.

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u/kainmcleod 7d ago

be aware of any rules in place with your employer regarding things like vacation payout.

part of the union contract at my work includes a minimum 21 day notice for leaving a job, otherwise you surrender any unused vacation time. if you can help it, it would be awful to lose those paid hours.

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u/hadesdemeter 7d ago

I don’t carry vacation or sick time unless I have a planned vacation. I learned my lesson the hard way.

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u/rohm418 7d ago

Our company went to Unlimited PTO. I made sure to use whatever I had on the books before that went into effect. And then I put in my notice about 3 months later.

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u/DirkNowitzkisWife 7d ago

For anyone reading who thinks this is good: unlimited PTO is a scam 99% of the time! I had a job where they tried to guilt me into not taking PTO, but I earned it so you bet your ass I took it, and they could figure month end close out without me. The same isn’t true if it’s some undefined perk that you maybe can or can’t take. And when I left I had 22 hours and got paid $800, it’s not a ton but it’s stacked on my last paycheck! That doesn’t happen either.

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u/Uglyfatdumb 7d ago

I like how my company does it. 11 hrs earned each pay period and you can take it whenever. No questions asked just put it on the calendar and the supervisor approves. Its a comfortable feeling

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u/Midgetmunky13 7d ago

How long is a pay period? Even if you get paid monthly, that's not terrible. If weekly, damn that's good pto.

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u/DickBentley 7d ago

11 hours even in a month is great pto from my experience. I only get 7 now.

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u/vent666 7d ago

Tell me you're American without saying you're American.

UK here. 307 hours leave a year.

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u/DickBentley 7d ago

Lmao so true. I'm a dual citizen oddly enough and could go live in the UK if I wanted but, most of my life has been lived out here in the states.

I sometimes think about how differently life would have been if I stayed over there as a kid instead.

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u/nsomnac 7d ago

Unlimited PTO is such a scam. It should be downright illegal.

There’s a local company that has a position open that would be perfect for me - the only reason not to bother is the Unlimited PTO policy. It’s likely the only reason the position has stayed open for so long too as it would be relatively well paying and employees I know there like the company.

The reality is there is no such thing as unlimited PTO. There’s always a limit. When you put the screws to HR you’ll find out in most places there’s a 2 week Per year cap. The only reason to offer Unlimited PTO as there’s no financial burden on the employer to compensate you for unused PTO when you leave the company; which in turn improves a business’s credit worthiness and valuation due to the decreased liability. Accumulated PTO is many a company’s Achilles heel to financial growth.

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u/kloborgg 7d ago

Just to offer one counter data point, my company offers unlimited PTO, and most people on my team probably average 4-6 weeks off a year. This is in tech, so that might be different.

Not saying it isn't a scam in many places, but it isn't in my individual case, and I'm quite happy to have it

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u/Rebootkid 7d ago

Same. We have unlimited pto.

If I don't take at least 3 weeks a year, my boss is riding me to take time off.

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u/dachsj 7d ago

That's the crux of the issue with it though. It boils down to personalities. It's gonna stress some people out more to not have a define amount to use. It's gonna make some managers absolute dickheads about taking it.

All things considered, id rather have my limited, but defined days off.

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u/unassumingdink 7d ago

Y'all are getting unions and vacations?

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u/baenpb 7d ago

One time, I told my boss (we had a good relationship) that I'm quitting, with a notice of about 3.5 weeks or so.

He said, "okay, we're paying you up to that date. As of right now, you are locked out of the network, you can go home and stop by to return all your equipment tomorrow."

Abrupt, but I'd say fair and measured. I was cut off, no access to network or email, as soon as I declared my intention to leave. But I was still paid, I'm okay with that result, all-in-all.

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u/eNut 7d ago

To add to this comment. Don’t give notice until you are ready to be escorted out the door for this very reason. Particularly if you are in tech, and ESPECIALLY if you have access to privileged information/accounts/systems.

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u/showalittlebackbone 7d ago

I recently left an IT job where I gave two weeks notice. Since I handled a lot of our access management, I had a meeting during my last week where I told them all the ways they'd need to block my access. It was weird.

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u/DataDiskDump 7d ago

I had to call the CTO 2 weeks after my last day because I still had access to systems that I had managed and was getting texts about access. That whole exit process was weird

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u/usedtobejuandeag 7d ago

I left a job like this and about a year later I opened a browser I don’t typically use (I think it was edge) went to that site and my credentials auto filled from that company and still worked. Nothing important just backups for literally all of their clients…

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u/HatintheCat221 7d ago

Don’t start emailing yourself stuff either. A lot of companies will trace that and will definitely check what you have been doing prior to putting in notice.

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u/OrangeNutLicker 7d ago

You should've given them 40 years notice

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u/sawntime 7d ago

THE REAL LIFE PRO TIPS ARE ALWAYS IN THE COMMENTS

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u/classicnoob2020 7d ago

Employers hate him

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u/giclee 7d ago

I’m surprised I had to scroll down this far to find this comment. Most companies I’ve worked for cut off access and immediately walked people out the day they turned in their resignation, but paid them their two weeks’ pay. Once you’ve signaled intent, the company does not know if you will be using your two weeks constructively. I’ve seen bitter people hang around and attempt to get others to quit, make a big scene on their last day, train their replacements poorly, etc. No enmity, just a business limiting any possible damage.

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u/autovonbismarck 7d ago

It's super dependent on the industry and your role, your relationship with your boss, etc.

My last manager gave like 4 months notice, trained her replacement and was sent off with a tearful company-wide celebration with over 100 people present.

She helped build our branch from the ground up, but decided to transition into a different industry. She could have torched the company from the inside over those 4 months and left with all our clients, but literally nobody ever thought about walking her out once she'd given her notice.

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u/goddamnitwhatsmypw 7d ago

I had a job where this was the standard procedure. Part of my job was to remove employee access to all IT resources immediately.

I expected the same walk out the door when I gave notice but they asked me to stay on through the two weeks. It was fun handling my own employee resignation ticket. My work was documented, there wasn't anything particularly special about my job. They just trusted me to not be an asshole.

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u/graphitewolf 7d ago

This is common in fields that deal with sensitive IP

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u/liferealist 7d ago

Make sure before you give your notice that you have sorted out everything in case you do get walked out the door. Emails, personal stuff you may have in different area, contact details you can quickly give colleagues etc.

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u/beapledude 7d ago

Gave two week notice to a manager that was so happy to see me leave, she got approval to pay me out the two weeks and let me go right away.

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u/sarnold95 7d ago

I see this as an absolute win lmao

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u/krcameron 7d ago

They did too.

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u/TheBirminghamBear 7d ago

There is something to be said about learning the skill of making people willing to pay you to leave.

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u/easyEggplant 7d ago

TIL I have a hidden talent!

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u/CowboyBoats 7d ago

Not as hidden as you think!

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u/spaghettilee2112 7d ago

LPT: Piss off your boss so much but be so good at your job they'd be fired for firing you, so that when you want to actually leave they'll pay you to leave.

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u/fave_no_more 7d ago edited 7d ago

Husband has seen this as the standard in a few places he worked. But that's expected in financial services, and being in IT, had access to a lot of stuff. So most folks, when they turned in their two weeks, were deactivated from their log ins, cleaned up their desks, and escorted out.

Not in a bad way, it was understood that it was voluntarily leaving. And they'd get their 2 weeks paid like regular, plus whatever they were entitled to upon leaving such as vacation day pay outs. The business preferred to eat the 2 weeks of pay rather than risk a disgruntled employee fucking something up maliciously.

Edit: lots of ppl saying it, and I agree. The truly malicious will do it before turning their notice. As for locked out without access, everything had redundancies.

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u/ElectionAssistance 7d ago

My work did the opposite, 6 weeks after I left I still had fully functional creds, building keys, logins, etc.

Turned out they expected me to turn them into the section manager...who was me. So because I had my keys, it was marked on someone's sheet as completed.

So that ended up triggering some sort of security audit but I wasn't part of that. I just left my stuff with building security and called it good enough. My email log in worked for another 3 months after that though, but that was pretty harmless.

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u/saltoftree 7d ago

I was still on the books of my former employer when it shut down a week after I quit. Which resulted in me being eligible for severance I otherwise wouldn't get since I left voluntarily.

Of course this is all moot because it was a seedy call centre and the owner had no intention of ever paying the severance whether it was legally owed or not.

Best part is, why was I still on the books, entitling me to this theoretical $1100 payout? My boss was using my key card because he didn't wanna pay the ten bucks for a replacement.

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u/ElectionAssistance 7d ago

Lol. Hilariously terrible. Good planning right?

In my case it was basic academic bureaucratic snafu, but with some 'have to notify law enforcement' levels of incompetence. Building admins refused to take my keys, because they weren't cleared for places the keys could open. So my boss's boss (but who somehow wasn't my boss...academia is strange) just told me to keep them. My boss took some of my keys but was in trouble in a couple ways so couldn't have my high security one because he lost his key holder privileges for leaving stuff unlocked.

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u/vonyodelclogger 7d ago

This just happened to me. I work in the A/E industry and I had full access to project and client information. It sort of stung, but o realized pretty quickly it wasn’t because they didn’t trust me, just standard protocol because someone could fuck shit up pretty badly.

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u/blastoisexy 7d ago

I'm kinda in the same position right now so it'll be interesting to see what they do. In the oil/energy industry currently with access to literally everything since I'm in IT. Have my new job lined up with a start date. Intend on giving one week notice on Monday once I'm back from vacation lol.

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u/mrdannyg21 7d ago

Yep, this is standard in the banking industry. Which makes sense, though of course everyone knows it, so if you were planning on screwing around or stealing customer lists, you just do so before giving your notice.

I did talk to someone in IT who’s job it is to do incredibly detailed review of logs and activity of someone’s computer for the year prior to them giving notice. And he has to compile a report, which usually looks like ‘in the past year, Mr XYZ sent 7364 emails, visited espn.com 782 times, etc’

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u/Zoomalude 7d ago

Yeah, I've worked at title companies and once we had a closer put in her two-week notice and then proceed to start emailing clients (from her work email) that she was moving on to X company, gave her personal contact information, and asked them to please reach out to her with business at the new company.

Obviously, nothing stops her from just emailing from the new company, but we'd still rather not have paid her to steal our business.

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u/PlasticSmoothie 7d ago

Most contracts where I live have a clause about that, for this reason. You cannot bring your clients with you to your new job in that way. If you do, you can get fined.

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u/youtheotube2 7d ago

It’s a good reminder to keep your personal shit off work devices. I won’t even connect my phone to my works wifi. They can see every website I visit at work, and probably ones I don’t visit at work.

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u/tyr-- 7d ago

In a lot of tech companies you'll also be walked out the same day (or the next day) you give your notice, especially if you're going to a direct competitor (say, from Microsoft or Amazon to Google or Facebook).

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u/Zharol 7d ago

If you're in a big company professional kind of job, those last couple of weeks become kind of a vacation anyway.

You come in and leave whenever you want. Wrap up things for only those colleagues/clients you like. Don't take on anything new. Anything that's left feels blissfully unimportant.

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u/XBingoFuelX 7d ago

Anything that's left feels blissfully unimportant.

It always has been.

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u/TheRidgeAndTheLadder 7d ago

I worked at a kinda toxic startup, and that transition from a major stress point in your life to "I do not care" is truly incredible.

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u/Medichealer 7d ago

Yep. I constantly fought with my Manager because she was lazy, did nothing, and would only work 3 hours and get paid her full 8 hour days salary, despite the fact we needed an extra set of hands. She preferred to smoke weed and stay at home and to “call her if we need her”, which she would never show up or would show up 2 hours after you called.

I made a huge fuss about it to HR, me and my coworker were burnt out and tired of being treated shitty. They paid us both out a week of pay and basically said goodbye.

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u/Bruised_Penguin 7d ago

Wait. They fired you for complaining about someone who wouldnt work??

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u/Sadoi-Kai 7d ago

Very very common in low regulation/don't give a fuck industries. Back when I worked food service jobs. Complaining about your manager or boss for any reason lead to a near instant firing or "Punishment" of cutting you from full time straight to part time... and by part time I mean about 5hrs a week

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u/qigger 7d ago

Yeah, at some point I realized that a lot of people up the chain of command take it as an insult if you complain about their supervisors under them as though they aren't capable of selecting good people or they don't know what's going on under their nose.

It's... a bit backwards and I can see why the criticism could be unwelcome in a way because sometimes staff doesn't see the whole picture or lack bias and management usually puts on an unified front. BUT if someone came to me with something legit about a subordinate, I would hope that I would at least consider it if I'm ever in that position.

As an accountant I've also been privy to sitting in the room with high level admin at times and I will tell you that there's no loyalty to anyone below or equal to them. I've heard discussions about potentially making cuts and the criteria they were using was basically spitballing who they do or don't like. Also my last role I saw how they all talked about each other and what they would do to clutch on to their positioning if it was ever perceived to be threatened and while this is just my experience, it makes me seriously reluctant to ascend to high levels of an organization I couldn't fully vet and get behind.

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u/coolcalmaesop 7d ago

I was in a similar boat but after being written up in retaliation for going to HR about it once so I played the long con for 6 more months and left on good terms.

I was able to request that I be paid out my earned bonus and PTO balance. I told them clearly all problems are me and mine and I was leaving to focus on going back to school and bettering myself professionally. Really, what can anyone say in response to that?

Up until a couple weeks ago when my ex-bosses boss came into my new job as a customer no one knew I just fucking hated them all.

The great thing is I have something that job was never going to give me now... happiness.

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u/jessssssssssssssica 7d ago

So did you tell your ex-boss’s boss that you hated them all?

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u/Toros_Mueren_Por_Mi 7d ago

Yea that wasn't enough money

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u/Medichealer 7d ago

Totally not. That job was very shady and very toxic.

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u/Stans___dad 7d ago

I once handed in my 3 month notice (as this was in my contract) as I had accepted another job.

Later that day I was told that I didn’t have to work my notice and was sent home…

Best three month holiday ever as I was on full pay for doing zero work.

Thank you British employment laws!!

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u/Vigilant1e 7d ago edited 7d ago

Garden leave has to be the epitome* of victory , especially with 3 months notice!

I'm currently working during my 3 month notice period, but the company have had the audacity to ask me to work it...selfish pricks /s

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u/1rv 7d ago

One of my greatest ambitions in life is one day to be granted several months' garden leave.

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u/kittyinasweater 7d ago

Cries in America

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u/purplepeople321 7d ago

Let's be real, we show up, but are checked out for months before the notice... And for me, showing up means logging on to my PC in the basement and jiggling the mouse every 5 minutes while I'm gaming.

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u/Slab-Squatthrust 7d ago

Sounds like you need the mouse jiggler app

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u/LilacChica 7d ago

For real, this person’s working way too hard

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u/KittyIsMyCat 7d ago

Does the app jiggle other things? Asking for a friend...

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u/UnclePuma 7d ago

i'm starting to think my greatest ambition should be to migrate my family over to europe

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u/headhonchospoof 7d ago

My ancestors left Europe for America in search of a better opportunity in life, I’m going back in search of health care and vacation days.

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u/Menulo 7d ago

Thought the same reading this, how people are trying to get back to europe after a couple of generations in de US. I can see an old irish woman woman yelling at them "SEE! I told you you would be back!"

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u/JonnyBhoy 7d ago

My brother handed in his notice and agreed a date to start his new job. Then his new employer asked him if he could start sooner to shadow a senior manager, so he asked HR if they could let him go earlier than agreed. They agreed to let him go, but as they had already processed his final payment and it was too much hassle to claw back, they chose to leave it and he was going to be paid for an extra two weeks after his new end date.

Then the new senior manager got stuck out of the country, so the new employer pushed back his shadowing period but agreed to still pay him for the two weeks he had now committed to.

So he spent two weeks doing nothing and being paid for two jobs.

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u/CH3FLIFE 7d ago

Noice.

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u/Reddit_username_44 7d ago

I’m British but had an American boss. Long story short but when he found out I was leaving, he angrily told me to go immediately, thinking that like the US, he could just stop paying me. UK HR had to educate him about notice. Unexpected three month gardening leave.

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u/leadfoot9 7d ago

This is great.

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u/mark0016 7d ago

The real LPT: Work in a country that actually has a labor code that doesn't feel like it was made in the beginning of the industrial revolution.

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u/Parhelion2261 7d ago

Hey! They don't feel like they were made back then!

They were made back then

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u/ksb012 7d ago

I quit my job, I tried to give two weeks notice but my boss was out for the first two days of that two weeks so It ended up being one and a half weeks notice. They asked me to stay till the end of the month and I said “nope, I’ve got a vacation planned already and then I start my new job” I loved my job for the first four years of employment, but the last year of it the company got bought out and my workload doubled. I had three weeks of vacation, but my job was so demanding that I never could take the vacation unless I wanted to come back to twice as much work when I got back. Since I was literally the only person that knew how to do my job, they were screwed. At the end of the day, it’s not my problem. Took a lower level job for almost the same pay, but much less work.

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u/Entitled2Compens8ion 7d ago

At the end of the day, it’s not my problem.

Remember this. NOT MY FUCKING PROBLEM.

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u/Sav_ij 7d ago

"we're short staffed"

correction; they are short staffed and you dont employ anyone

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u/doweactuallycare 7d ago

"we're short staffed"

Thats wild, good luck with it.

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u/lord_fairfax 7d ago

"That's crazy! Good luck tho"

Classic

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u/Narrative_Causality 7d ago

In my experience, the people whining about being short staffed, because someone called out sick, is a manager that could easily do the job for a day without any serious consequences. They just don't want to.

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u/NumerousSettings 7d ago

Where I work we say "Not here for the Carnival, just my peanuts" and "Not my Circus, not my Clowns"

Supervisors and up aren't union and what is and isnt my problem is clearly defined in the agreement.

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u/bunnyrut 7d ago

I gave two weeks notice and they asked me to stay for another week. I thought that was the funniest shit.

The reason I was leaving was because I asked for a pay raise and higher title to match the work I was doing. They offered me a very small raise and no job title. So I found another job that was paying me way more than what they even offered.

Then they tried to offer me my boss's position because he was also leaving. But, again, they weren't going to pay me close to what the job title should be paid because of "experience". I'm experienced enough for you to want me to do that job, but not enough to get paid what it should be? Fuck no.

They knew what they had done when I had 3 separate people calling me trying to convince me and beg me to stay. I already accepted the other job and happily declined. All they had to do was pay me what I was asking for... which was exactly what they paid the other person in that position. I loved the reports I was getting from people still there about how bad things were getting. Everyone started leaving because it got that bad.

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u/Kreegs 7d ago

About 20 years ago, I was working in acustomer service department repairing products. There was a position open for a field service engineer and I applied. About that time, the main guy went on medical leave and since I was an expert on the product I got asked to go. They said they'd keep the position open until I got back and think of it as a month long interview.

I do the trip, come back with glowing reports of how I was the best guy they ever sent into the field and the customers preferred me over the other guy. (I was in the office when the manager was on the phone when the customer said that.) I get told they won't give me the job, because i was much more useful fixing RMAs. The next day I get handed an itinerary for a 3 month stint on the road and with the only time home being the week before xmas and new year. I asked why since I was more useful at the office. They said that they needed me on the road. I asked if I got the money, title and job. They said no.

Next day I turned in my notice.

Six months later, I approach my old boss about doing some summer work while I was in school in the repair department. He hired me on in an instant. I get pulled aside the first day and they ask if I would be willing to go on the road for the summer. They needed me and I knew how to do the repair and I did a great job the previous year on the road. I asked if they were going to pay be the $20 an hour instead of the $10 I was making repairing circuit boards. They again told me no, I'd be making the same amount.

I told my boss, the head of the engineering department and the head of the service engineers that is was insulting. They came to me to do the job and wouldn't pay me what all the others were getting. I got up and walked out.

Spent the summer fixing circuit boards as slow as I could because fuck them.

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u/RabidWench 7d ago

This whole "getting behind" shit baffles me. You're not behind, the company is behind because they won't hire an adequate number of workers to do the job. Beyond that that is not my problem. They want the work done faster? Hire more people or fire me and hire a sucker.

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u/ptng251 7d ago

True. I gave 6 months notice because I knew they won't be able to find a replacement in time. They didn't do anything until last minutes. The new replacement still keeps bothering me for like a year. What a joke.

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u/kylorensgrandfather 7d ago

Stop answering. My last boss left but I don’t ask for help because she deserves peace and i’m not paying her.

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u/IronCorvus 7d ago

Should've sent that company an invoice for training consultation and compiled phone logs lol

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u/seansafc89 7d ago

I left a job two and a half years ago and I still get the occasional Facebook message regarding work I used to do. “Hi how are you doing………. Can you help me with this?” I just completely ignore them now.

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u/6a6566663437 7d ago

Answer with "My hourly rate is <10x your current rate>, minimum 3 hours".

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u/kamikaze_pedestrian 7d ago

A fellow manager (total asshole) was feeling underappreciated and wanted to scare/fish for beggings to stay/hoping to get a raise and bluffed a two week notice. What he didnt know was we were all looking for reasons to be rid of him. So upper management decided to jump on it and told him while the notice was appreciated it wasnt really necessary and let him go on the spot. He stormed out only to have to come back to turn in his keys. Heard later that his girlfriend ripped him a new one for leaving them in hot water rent-wise.

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u/SweetSoundOfSilence 7d ago

Same here. I’ve always given a month notice because I have a hard job and want the right person to be trained for it. My last job my boss was the most horrible, abusive, micromanaging person I’ve ever encountered in my life. I gave her my notice and she let me go that day

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u/nucumber 7d ago

i worked with a guy who thought he was all that and a bag of chips. he was a smart guy and fun to hang out with but was not a team player at all. he was very secretive about stuff and played a lot of self serving games at work.

anyway he felt under appreciated and left, then tried to come back a year later bcuz the place he went to didn't appreciate him either. he assumed he would be greeted with open arms but nope, absolutely no one who worked with him wanted him back.

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u/LVL-2197 7d ago

It's amazing that this level of lack of self-awareness exists

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u/Toros_Mueren_Por_Mi 7d ago

Not really, George Carlin said it best, and I count myself among the stupid. Common sense isn't common

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u/QuentinTarantulatino 7d ago

Had a friend in high school who worked at Papa John’s. One day, one of his co-workers rage-quit by making a scene, screaming at the manager, cursing, etc. He delivered some kind of pre-planned exit line and stormed out.

Few hours later, my friend’s shift ends, and he goes out to the parking lot to find this dude sitting on the curb by his own car. The guy looks up and goes, “I left all my stuff in the break room.”

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u/SilverEarly7725 7d ago

Is he still sitting at the curb till this day

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u/MrKino 7d ago

A papa johns with a break room? ... doubt.

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u/GOPPageantFluffer 7d ago

It’s the folding chair where everyone drops their shit, right at the back entrance hallway.

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u/tway2241 7d ago

Wow, you guys had a chair? We just had an upside down milk crate that wasn't even from our supplier.

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u/ghangis24 7d ago

You guys had a milk crate? We just sat on piles of pizza boxes

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u/muskratboy 7d ago

But watch out for the guard raccoons.

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u/Mendozozoza 7d ago

Everyone knows restaurant break rooms are the alley out back to smoke, and the walk-in to scream in.

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u/stuufthingsandstuff 7d ago

We had a guy that constantly tried to scam us for workers comp and injury pay (like catching him on camera standing, and then randomly falling like a soccer player clutching his knee, then claiming an automatic door hit him. You're on camera bro...) He also had a habit of losing his temper when being coached by female managers amd he'd always threaten to quite, but we couldn't fire him because he was on disability for fake injuries. The managers made a plan. The top guy sat in on a coaching that one of the female managers was to perform for attendance. She was instructed to poke the bear and it worked. He started screaming at her and in his passion, yelled "I just want to quit!" At which point top guy immediately shouted "I accept your resignation " and handed him a filled out resignation letter. The guy was shocked and angry, but ended up signing it. I think he thought it was concrete at that point, but he ended up making it so himself! Lol

I'm sure this wasnt very kosher as a business practice, but we never heard from him again.

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u/whitefire89 7d ago

Yeah, a lot of times those scammers know when they have been had. At that point, it is easier to move on to the next company than fight to continue where he is at.

I used to be in on all of the upper level safety meetings for a large company. We had a guy claim a back injury, so we went back and and reviewed the tapes, only to see him fail at trying to do a backflip off of a semi-trailer.

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u/ZeePirate 7d ago

At least he wasn’t faking it lol?

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u/BrightNooblar 7d ago

but ended up signing it.

For a guy trying to commit worker's comp fraud, he sure has a poor grasp of how a bureaucracy works.

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u/Bytes_of_Anger 7d ago

This is my one regret from my (only) termination. Inventory control wasn’t implemented anywhere and stated that I was responsible for the loss but wouldn’t be prosecuted.

Fuck, 15 years later and that shit still doesn’t sit right.

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u/MsAnnabel 7d ago

Right but if he would’ve waited and just left on the spot, the company would’ve been pissed! Not so much when they do it to an employee tho

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u/Annual_Timely 7d ago edited 7d ago

Every time there was a problem that affected me and my work, I was told "it is what it is and you have to manage your expectations". I gave notice on Tuesday that Friday would be my last day and she freaked out and asked about 2 weeks notice. Yep, you know it...."Well you know, it is what it is and you're just going to have to manage your expectations." You could see the absolute RAGE in her eyes.

EDIT: Wow thank you, my first ever awards! The funny thing was she knew exactly what I meant and why I said it and that just made it more delicious.

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u/Teamrayray 7d ago

2 weeks notice? FOR 2 WEEKS YOU'RE GOING TO NOTICE I HAVE NOT BEEN HERE!

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u/arjo_reich 7d ago

ps, I have two weeks of PTO I'll be taking starting tomorrow

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u/DigitalSterling 7d ago edited 7d ago

My company instituted a policy that if you use your PTO and leave the company while on that time off, they'll take all the money from PTO back and just let you go.

Too many people were using PTO to job hunt and weren't showing back up. Now they just use their PTO, get paid then quit

Edit: added "you use" in the first sentence

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u/arjo_reich 7d ago

Yeah, always check your State's fringe benefit laws b/c the are plenty of states that clearly file this under wage theft.

Of course, wage theft is the multi-billion-dollar crime that almost nobody is prosecuting, sooo....

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u/sumunsolicitedadvice 7d ago

I’m in Louisiana (a very pro-business state), and even here that’s wage theft. All unused PTO must be paid out if the employment is terminated.

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u/Unnecessary_Timeline 7d ago

Not in Arizona! In my dogshit state there are no laws requiring employers to pay out any PTO, be it vacation or sick.

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u/LordDongler 7d ago

It's super easy and fun to threaten a lawsuit with HR when they pull this shit. I strongly recommend that everyone does this for any reason

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u/cosmos7 7d ago

That's really not the greatest idea unless you truly intend to pursue legal action. Most HR are absolutely shit at their jobs but from the company's perspective if an employee even hints at something like that HR is essentially done, should cease all communication immediately and refer to counsel. It's a nuclear option and can drastically limit options.

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u/illogicalhawk 7d ago

How can they take it back? If you left the company you'd still be owed outstanding PTO.

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u/TheHannibalKing 7d ago

This is one of those comments I actually busted out laughing haha

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u/MoreLikeFalloutChore 7d ago

"Think of this less like a two weeks notice and more of a two minute warning."

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u/slobyGYN 7d ago

Good for you. At-will employment is a two-way goddamn street.

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u/veggiewitch_ 7d ago

Yup. Last job I had they treated me as entirely expendable. The doc I worked with was also leaving but she gave six weeks notice and I gave two.

‘You aren’t staying until MY notice period is over?’

‘No. It’s up to the hospital to provide you an assistant. I have a new job to start.’

Awkward two weeks but it got my point across. Never treat your support staff like garbage.

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u/wene324 7d ago

I think it's part of doctors contracts that it has to be a 6 week notice.

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u/BeefyIrishman 7d ago

The VP of Operations at our company just gave notice a few weeks ago. Apparently his contract required 1 year notice, so that he can train a replacement. I am just waiting to see how much he checks out as we get closer and closer to that date.

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u/KhabaLox 7d ago

Apparently his contract required 1 year notice, so that he can train a replacement.

That is insane. I hope it's a highly specialized field. That seems like overkill for most companies/industries.

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u/RainbowDissent 7d ago

Three months is standard (and contractual) here in the UK for managerial positions, at least in professional fields. Six months is common at a senior or directorial level.

My stepdad got almost six months' paid garden leave after leaving a director position - they didn't want him preparing to take information or clients to a competitor.

A year is nuts, though - never heard of it, but I can understand it for an absolutely critical role.

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u/NoMoOmentumMan 7d ago

My good friends dad sold his business (for a PILE of cash and stock options), part of the sale agreement stipulated that he stay on for 2 years to help manage the transition.

6 months in, transition complete, he was miserable. For the first time in 35 years he hated going to work, ated the new company, hated his new co-workers...al of it.

After about 9 months had passed he chatted up the CEO and explained to him he did not want to be there anymore. It wasn't the pay or lethargy brought on by the sudden windfall of cash, he just did not like working with/for the company that bought him out. He asked if not showing up would jeopardize any portion of the sale agreement. CEO told him no, and if he didnt want to be there he was free to resign, but his non-compete would be extended by the same amount he was forgoing, aboutb15 months.

He told the CEO "I'm 64 years old, sitting on close to $50 million (stock options had gone fucking bananas after he was aquired), competing with anyone for anything is no longer something I'm interested in".

His office was empty within 24 hours.

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u/SilasX 7d ago

"Hey if you want to pay me like a doctor, I'm happy to stick to a six-week notice period!"

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u/BeyondDoggyHorror 7d ago

You know, I’d be scared about it damaging me further down the road, but I’m kinda with you

I mostly like my immediate coworkers and don’t want to leave them hanging, but the rest of the industry can eat a bag of dicks. They have absolutely no qualms about telling you where you’re going at the last second or upending your life

I’m trying to get my wife to quit her job. We were talking about taking some time off to do some home improvement projects and she said she can’t take that time off because there’s no one else to cover for her. Wtf, she’s been there for four years and they’ve never made a good attempt. You better believe her superiors take their time off though

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u/oneofmanyany 7d ago

Most people don't do this because they are worried about going with no health insurance.

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u/BeyondDoggyHorror 7d ago

Valid point. Even then, you’re stuck with cobra until your next employer’s insurance kicks in. That stuff is expensive

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u/Zykium 7d ago

Who can even afford COBRA? Got laid off from a job and it was like $1500 a month.

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u/Me_So_Funny 7d ago

Can't you retroactively apply for cobra (if needed) as long as you're not more than 60 days between employer insurance?

For instance if you know you’re starting a new job in 45 days you can elect not to sign up for cobra but if something happens before your next employer's insurance kicks in you can retroactively instate cobra…

At least that’s how I remember it.

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u/b1ack1323 7d ago

My wife had a similar situation, except it was “it will all work out”

Regardless the size of the problem that was the answer. No help or answers or guidance.

She gave them 5 days of notice on a Friday and when they asked for more she said “it will all work out for you guys”.

It didn’t.

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u/thoreau_away_acct 7d ago

More deets on how it didn't, plz

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u/b1ack1323 7d ago

Two other people walked out the week prior and it is a position that requires a good amount of training. They had to hire 5 people to replace the 3 that left and they have let a lot of samples expire and due dates pass because of it. Which requires a customer to resubmit a sample. This never happened before. So now they are losing their credibility and customers are leaving in huge numbers to better operations.

They have to outsource work because they couldn’t keep up which is much more expensive than the 3 workers were. My wife was underpaid and these guys thought they had them locked in.

She works part time from home now and makes more than she did before with no commute.

The hour commute plus the 32 vs 45 hours has given her back around 23 hours a week, all while making more money….

The old place is still a shit show and her old boss is still leaving on time and pushing work onto others even though they are missing due dates.

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u/LyricalPig 7d ago

Thats a them problem for having all their eggs in one basket. Even with my best performers, I have plans to replace them in case they hit the lotto, get hit by a bus, or want to follow their passion and go live in the woods.

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u/vsaint 7d ago

I had a job where i put the 2 weeks in and within that period, the CIO tried calling me at like 11pm for some issue. The next day in the office he goes, “you know if you weren’t leaving we’d have a big issue.” I go “but look at us now!” He was fuming.

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u/JFConz 7d ago

chef's kiss

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u/Medichealer 7d ago

fuck dude this just gave me a half-chub

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u/caarmander 7d ago

This is the petty revenge I live for

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u/Misty1988 7d ago

Exactly. “Don’t take it personally- It’s just business”.

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u/kaozennrk 7d ago

In tech, you'll often get let go the very day you give your notice because you have too much access to critical systems.

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u/doesntseemreal 7d ago

My coworker put in a 2 week notice and they just took her completely off the schedule.

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u/TheAJGman 7d ago

Lol they doubled down and had my fiancee working 50 hours/week. She called in sick (vomiting) with 2 days to go and her manager responded with "Are you fucking kidding me? *click*", so she just no-showed on her last day because management didn't respect her enough to let her finish the fucking call.

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u/Ben_Thar 7d ago

The last time I changed jobs, I gave 2 weeks notice. They told me I could go ahead and leave that day.

I believe giving notice is the right thing to do, but your employer may not do the right thing in response.

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u/dinorex96 7d ago

Is it not defined by laws in the US?

In Switzerland you have to give at least 1 month notice if you worked there for 1 year. Your employer can "let you go" early but for the entirety of the month you're still getting paid so thats like paying a worker for doing nothing.

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u/Blindlord 7d ago

In most jobs in the US you aren't on a contract instead both sides are "at will". They can fire you whenever and for any reason and you can quit without notice if you choose. I guess the upside is that it's very easy to switch jobs which is important in the US because upward mobility often involves going to a new company every couple of years

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u/susch1337 7d ago

That seems so unsafe for the worker especially because of how many Americans live paycheck to paycheck. So technically I can work at the same company for 10 years and one day the just kick me out and don't have to pay anything from that day on?

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u/Disk_Mixerud 7d ago

That would fall on their unemployment insurance and you'd be entitled to unemployment payments. Assuming you weren't fired because of your own actions. That's why companies try to get people to quit voluntarily instead of laying them off.

I don't know exactly how unemployment insurance works, but I do know there's a not insignificant cost to firing an employee on the spot.

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u/NouberNou 7d ago

Was fired once when my boss was secretly throwing me under the bus to a customer.

They tried to get me to quit and I said no you're firing me.

After I filed for unemployment the unemployment board decided they'd fired me for unjust cause and since they weren't paying into unemployment insurance either they awarded me 80% of my pay entirely on the back of my former employer for 2 years.

So they got to keep me on payroll either way.

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u/gtrocks555 7d ago

That’s the biggest W I’ve seen. Teach me your ways

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u/micksandals 7d ago

LPT: Browse this sub for a reminder of how much worse the US is than other developed countries in terms of employment law (among other things).

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u/alligatorprincess007 7d ago

The USA really needs an overhaul in employee rights. I had to call in sick today and I felt guilty about it, so I looked up how often most people call in sick to work/yr

Most Americans said at most, 1-2x a yr but “I haven’t called in sick for 3 yrs!” While people who said they were from European countries said they got 10 paid sick days a yr. What a difference!

I get 5 sick days a yr and usually use them but I still feel bad about it and I shouldn’t feel bad about being sick you know.

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u/koboldikus 7d ago edited 7d ago

More like 6 weeks in Germany and after that you will still get paid partly by insurance. If you split your sickness and show up to work from time to time there isn't really a limit.

Edit: This must be crazy for you. Should i get sick during my holidays I can get a note from the doctor and will get back the taken days of my holiday I was sick. I got 30 days of paid holidays a year. The first part is law and the second part is pretty common.

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u/_Katy_Koala_ 7d ago

Meanwhile my US coworkers are happy when they get sick on holidays or weekends because they don't have to miss work lmao

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u/paullove89 7d ago

In France we get 6 weeks of paid vacation plus however much sick leave the doctor prescribes.

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u/WesbroBaptstBarNGril 7d ago

I tried calling in sick once and was told they needed a 4 hour notice or it would be considered the same as a "no call/no show." No one was in the office 4 hours before I called, but that was my problem not theirs.

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u/bonerdickcummysnatch 7d ago

Yeahhhhhh this is dependent upon a lot of different things. I gave the owner of the company I worked for last over a month's notice and she appreciated the hell out of it and gave me a glowing review that helped me secure a job elsewhere. We're friends now and we keep in contact regularly.

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u/SenorDarcy 7d ago

I work in healthcare and gave a little over a month at my last job so the clinical flow wasn’t impacted. This LPT is very situation dependent.

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u/Mausiemoo 7d ago

Yup, I work in education and am contractually obliged to give a long period of notice - if I want to leave at Christmas then 31st October is the last date to hand in notice. If I don't do this they can claim the excess cost of cover from me, and the Head will almost certainly let my new job know what I did. This is a good LPT if you are in certain industries, dreadful in others.

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u/arac62 7d ago

Exactly! I work in direct care and I gave 2 months notice so that client care was affected as a little as possible! It's part of the job!

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u/Swagspray 7d ago

Same in my last job. It’s up to each individual to gauge their relationship with the company.

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u/joemaniaci 7d ago

And industry. If you work in an industry where a bunch of different companies are clustered together, everyone knows each other.

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u/The_Bitter_Bear 7d ago

Every time a work related LPT is shared it ends up needing a huge qualifier that this varies industry to industry and really depends on your circumstances.

My previous two jobs I knew I would be hard to replace and gave around a months notice, both times they still didn't have a replacement when I left but at least I gave them time. It bought me lots of goodwill and left doors open which lead to extra contract work and such. Several of those connections have been very beneficial later on as well. So I had a very similar experience.

So yeah, it varies quite a bit. Of course financially you should be prepared should they decide to just let you go upon notice.

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u/nullenatr 7d ago

Reddit is always heavily turned on by burning bridges when leaving workplaces. I don't know if it's some "justice for the little guy" thing when usually all that really wronged them at work was something minor.

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u/mrsadams21 7d ago

Check your contracts before listening to this! Most contracts in my job sector in the UK require a month's notice. Give the notice thats in your contracts.

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u/_chasingrainbows 7d ago

This was my thought. I didn't even know people could choose a notice unless they're on zero hours or something.

It also goes both ways in my contract, same notice period if I leave or if I'm let go, but I don't know if that's standard.

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u/stucky602 7d ago

This is an American thing (surprise right?). We generally don’t have anything like this in our contract other than “you can be fired for any reason and notice is not required” or some such.

While there are technically reasons that you can’t be fired for (race/gender/etc) most states are “at Will” and you could be fired simply because the boss is having a bad day.

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u/caboosetp 7d ago

At will means you can just leave too. 2 weeks notice is not a legal requirement here. It's a contractual requirement to stay in good terms with your work.

Just 2 weeks notice or burn the bridge.

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u/TheGingerBeardsman 7d ago

In America, in most places you can be fired without notice and for any reason other than like, "I just found out you're gay, you're fired!" And even in that situation, the employer can just make some shit up like, "you were 45 seconds late two times this week, you're fired. Nothing to do with what I found out about you earlier and you can't prove that's why you're getting fired."

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u/Swill94 7d ago

While obviously it’s not the best perk or ideal. I will say I am happy to have the flip side of the equation to quit whenever I want.

My first job out of college I had a clause in my contract I had to pay 5k back if j left earlier to refund the “training” I got if I left before 15 months from the start date.

Total BS, but I’m lucky to have lived in a very at will state where the clause for this company didn’t apply to me and if they tried pursuing me I could report them to my state government.

Fyi this company was HQ in a different state

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u/Archsys 7d ago

This is almost certainly a US-centric post. Work contracts? I know people who'd salivate at the thought...

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u/Superbead 7d ago

LPT: if it's something geographically specific on Reddit, and they haven't bothered to say where, it's the US.

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u/Supernesfanboy 7d ago

My contract (in UK) says that I have to give 3 months. Luckily the job is fairly decent but god help me if i ever wanted to leave.

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u/monrebentibus 7d ago

I had an employer actually do the opposite once. I tried giving my two weeks notice, but I worked in news with weird hours and my manager kept dodging me. (I think they sensed I was leaving.) I finally gave them my notice and they had the gall to schedule me for the day before I started my new job - which was a Sunday - despite my resignation clearly stating my end date. Needless to say, I refused to work that shift and was even more happy to be leaving 🙃

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u/Proper-Code7794 7d ago

How bad do you want a reference compared to how painful it is to show up any more.

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u/JFConz 7d ago

I don't quit jobs until I have another one, so I never need my current employer's reference. The fact that I am still employed is my endorsement.

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u/ThrowawaySuicide1337 7d ago

Assuming references mean anything/are checked/the person who says they'll refer you isn't lying or sabotaging you.

YMMV though.

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u/FriendlyOl_Chap 7d ago

Was about to say this. Every job I've had never called or checked on references lol

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u/plsacceptmythrowaway 7d ago edited 7d ago

As someone living in a country where 2 weeks is definitely NOT the norm, it would be great/terrible to have such a short notice period.

Mine is contractually* 3 MONTHS y'all!

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u/twojsdad 7d ago

Northern European? I feel like I read this was a thing in Nordic countries in particular.

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u/kriebz 7d ago

That sounds like it would be a good thing for small companies with little skill overlap, but otherwise very strange. Does this work differently between professional and non-professional jobs?

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u/Knut79 7d ago

Not sure where he lives. But most places it's a scale. So you start out with 1 month and after 1-3 years it cakes up to 3 months.

And it goes both ways. They have to pay you for at least that period when firing you, you "have" to work that time when quitting.

If both agree you can quit sooner. But you have to remember w that it takes at least that long to get a replacement anyway.

And while it may not be great for the employer.... No one cares. The employer is always the winner anyway.

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u/plsacceptmythrowaway 7d ago

Yep, it goes both ways. 3 months notice or pay if they wanna fire me or 3 months notice if I decide to leave

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u/biggles86 7d ago

the real 2 weeks notice is quitting without telling anyone, and when they call to see where you have been, you say:

"I quit 2 weeks ago, didn't you notice?"

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u/00Donger 7d ago

This definitely depends on the company and the management. And just the relationship between you and your boss

I gave my job of 6 yrs about 3 months soft notice (no solid date just letting them know id be done school soon and looking for a new job after x date.

They received it really well, and hired a new guy so I could train him about 2months later.

I then gave them my solid 2 weeks when I actually got a new job and worked 2 fulltime jobs for 2 weeks (that was a nightmare but the extra money was well received!)

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u/Delirious_85 7d ago

I have a question about this to the US citizens:

In Germany, by law the time of notice the employee has to give is never longer than the one the employer has to provide. So if you as an employee have to give 3 month's notice, it's the same the other way around (or even more, but that's rare).

How exactly is this regulated in the US?

I am asking because I always hear/read people mention a two weeks notice they have to give but employers seemingly can terminate employees in an instant without any notice at all.

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u/MapleGeek 7d ago

US citizen and Canadian PR here.

Most US states have laws that let an employer dismiss an employee pretty much at any time. Those are "at will" employment states. Pretty much if they aren't firing you for an illegal reason (discrimination based on gender or race, for being a whistleblower, for refusing to do illegal things for them, etc), they can do it with no notice.

There are some exceptions to it for some states, but they're hard to prove and the onus falls on the employee to prove it.

But yes, they still want you to give them notice so they can replace you easily.

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u/Delirious_85 7d ago

Thanks for the response. Does that mean that as an employee, you don't HAVE TO give notice, but it's just good manners?

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u/beardlywise 7d ago

Yes. It is the "professional" thing to do.

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u/JFConz 7d ago

Your understanding is correct.

Most (49/50) US states have "at will" employment, meaning you can be fired for any reason short of discrimination. I've never, ever heard of a company giving notice prior to termination or layoffs in the US. If anything, a company will act like everything is fantastic and they'll see you on Monday, then lay the entire staff off on Friday and close the doors.

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u/Ashurbanipal18 7d ago edited 7d ago

I was actually planning on giving a one month notice for October, but in the end decided that wasn’t necessary. So I resigned and gave my last day as 10/15. Thank you for validating my decision.

Edit: I resigned on 10/1, so it was a 2 week notice I gave.

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u/_________Ello 7d ago

Yas. Yas. Yas.

Some want to right away replace you.

I resigned (so no 2 week notice needed and already had a job for me the following Monday). The company had a history that if you gave 2 weeks noticed, they pressured you to train someone (fast) within those weeks and you stayed overtime (under salary so you don't get paid for those extra hours).

Once the person was trained, even if you had a couple of days left, they just fired you.

There were times I saw people give them a 2 week notice and the same or next day they had their last pay check.

I left the company by resigning. They were livid. Kept saying "this was so unprofessional" blah blah blah.

They decided when to fire you with no notice so we can leave with no notice as well 👍👍👍👍

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u/orgalixon 7d ago

While I agree with the sentiment of you not owing the company shit (most of the time), it just depends on the kind of worker you actually are and how the company views you.

I just effectively gave 4-ish months notice last week and they were only worried about if there was anything that could 'happen' for me to stay.

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